found steve smiths post (google is pretty cool):
'No, it's the aliens' techniques that wouldn't fly in the RW; specifically,
the simultaneous use of throttle and brakes. No RW car could take this kind
of punishment for long. (When Rover was developing the turbine car for Le
Mans, the test drivers discovered that the lap times were much improved by
using the throttle to spool up the turbine--which went to something like
30,000 rpm--whilst still on the binders. The Rover engineers kept putting
on bigger and bigger rotors, but in the end the problem could only be
'solved' by prohibiting the drivers from employing the practice.) Likewise,
RW cars could never take the kind of abuse heaped on the engines, tires and
transmissions the way aliens drive. If you look at footage of RW drivers of
that era, and then at replays of aliens' laps, you'll immediately understand
why the way the latter drive is much closer to Ridge Racer than Jim Clark.'
one of the technical advisors for n2003 who engineers one of the winston cup
cars has seen the replays ive posted recently, and stated that no driver
he's seen drives like that. id hope that his input to papyrus could lead to
a sim that needs to be driven properly to go quickly, after all, its a real
world driving sim first.
im not saying that you cant use normal real life technique to drive n2002,
but its quicker to use the brake+accel
pez
> id love to see a replay showing conventional race driving technique
(accel,
> off accel, brake, turn + ease back on brake, get back on power, either
> trailing or balanced, clipping point, power out, straighten wheel) that
gets
> someone a 1.13.8 lap at the glen at 70 degrees, no wind, clear conditions,
> no autoclutch (no aids) with a race setup.
> from what ive seen, the really quick guys run setups that are too loose to
> allow you to do this, as you need power application pretty much constantly
> with them (no way to trail brake with a setup thats as loose as the ones
> included in my replay, youll loop it instantly).
> from what i can tell, you will get much better tyre wear at the front
> running the papyrus technique as you dont lean on the front tyres as much
as
> you would do with a setup that allows for proper trail braking (one thatd
be
> alot less 'loose', and allow you to actually balance a car on the brake
> pedal, then get on the power to hold it rather than being able to give
both
> inputs simultaneously and control a much nastier car).
> im too infrequent a RAS reader to know if this has been discussed in the
> past, but i think i recall Steve Smith posting something about it and a le
> mans team trying it out, and braking cars (think thats what he said).
> pez
> > > id dissagree with jason, its how i drive, and as far as im concerned,
> its
> > > the only way to drive this sim (and gpl, n4) 'really' quickly (run a
> poll on
> > > RAS, download the replay of a 36.1 qual lap ive done at homestead, and
a
> > > 1.13.8lap ive got from the glen in race setup from here (you might
have
> to
> > > copy and paste this URL into your browser to get it to dl, as its on
> > > geocities and doesnt like to work the 'normal' way ;) )
> > > http://www.geocities.com/alexpez/BrakeAccel.zip , and see just how
many
> > > people drive it like i do, i bet most of the guys who can match those
> times
> > > and beat those times drive pretty much exactly the same way. setups
are
> > > included in those replays.)
> > > its not, on the other hand, how youd drive these cars in real life, so
> its a
> > > major flaw when it comes to simulating the driving experience.
> > No *need* to drive like that to be quick in NR2002
> > I've tried it briefly as I was told there's an advantage to it, but I
> > couldn't get the hang of it and went back to my normal driving style,
> > talking about road courses here of course, I don't know the first thing
> > about ovals :-)
> > Beers and cheers
> > (uncle) Goy
> > "goyl at nettx dot no"
> > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/
> > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
> > --Groucho Marx--
