I agree too, but I still find something missing in NR2003--and I think I
have finally figured it out. It is in my brain. I only started loving GPL
after AH's fantastic symmetrical set-ups came out. Before that I was
struggling with all the hotlappers set-ups, and doing poorly. I think that
I just find asymmetrical set-ups distasteful, so when the car is as twisted
as it is at a NASCAR oval, it just doesn't feel enjoyable to drive. That
doesn't take away from the accuracy of the simulator, but it does reduce my
enjoyment factor a lot. Oval racing with severely staggered set-up is an
art and a science that is quite different from "regular" road racing. Guess
I just prefer rally, open-wheel road course and closed-wheel road course
racing in that order. The older F1 cars were closer to a decent road-going
sports car of today than either modern F1 or NASCAR. Long live GPL and
GTR2002! And someone PLEASE make a decent WRC sim!
Marc
> What Achim said....
> > Alan, you may like the 67 F1 cars more than you like Nascars, but that
has
> > little to do with how well GPL or N2k3 simulate the cars they simulate.
> N2k3
> > is two generations ahead of GPL, N2k3's tire model alone is so much
better
> > that it renders GPL obsolete.
> > You may enjoy driving the cars simulated by GPL more for various
reasons,
> > but N2k3 is by a huge margin the better sim :-)
> > To tell you the truth, I'm not a huge fan of Nascars as racing vehicles
> > either. They're big, heavy, and comparatively unresponsive. But, racing
is
> > racing, no matter which car you do it in - it always requires the same
> > dedication, the same effort, the same attitude, and the same expertise.
> I've
> > come to think that it's a little snobbish to insist that racing one car
is
> > worth more or better than racing another, and rather decided to accept
the
> > challenge and get good at racing Nascars now. And racing Nascars is as
> much
> > fun as racing anything else, it's just a little more difficult :-)
> > Meanwile, I'm enjoying N2k3 tremendously, I don't even miss GPL2. Would
I
> > quit racing Nascars if there were a GPL2 or Racing Legends (if it lived
up
> > to its promise)? Probably. But until then, I'll use the most challenging
> and
> > best racing simulation, and if that's a Nascar sim, you'll see me racing
> > Nascars :)
> > And I can ramble at least as much as you do ;-)
> > Achim
> > > Nice lot of replies.....
> > > I see that the old argument between Nascar 2003 and GPL still gets
quite
> > an
> > > airing.
> > > My two pennies worth is that modern racing is very technically
advanced
> > and
> > > seems to have lost a lot of the human fun element, dare I say, soul?
For
> > > example I would rather fly a Spitfire than an F15 anyday. The F15
makes
> > > flying 'easy' so you can concentrate on the enemy, but hey, I like
> flying!
> > > Similar with say modern F1. All the tech gadgets, auto-gears, traction
> > > control, wings etc just means the driver can concentrate on getting
> round
> > > the track with much less regard for the car. And most of all the very
> > small
> > > degree of suspension travel on modern cars including Nascar 2003 means
> you
> > > get much less feel of the beast your driving.
> > > No. Give me GPL with its trail-braking, slipping and sliding into
> corners
> > > and always in control when your've mastered the cars still gives me
the
> > > driving buzz it did nearly five years ago.
> > > Not to mention the art form:
> > > They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. To me the GPL (GPLEA)
> cars
> > > are paintings on wheels.
> > > Aside:
> > > I stood outside my house yesterday watching a solitary Spitfire do 8
> loops
> > > and rolls. To me one of the most awe-inspiring sites I have ever seen.
> > > I apologise in advance for my rambling....
> > > Alan
