rec.autos.simulators

by **Blues DeVill** » Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:35:59

I wonder why this is such a hot issue? Why is it that everybody jumps
on his feet as soon as something happens to Montoya?
Did anybody hear is own comments after he returned to the pits, being
interviewed by a Dutch reporter:
"Well, these things happen, that's racing..."
He didn't blame Verstappen right away, so i seriously doubt if he's
clean himself on this one....

Blues

> What would settle it, once and for all, would be for the two teams to
> release the
> telemetry tapes for the last few laps up to the ramming. If Jos' foot was
> buried in the throttle AFTER swing behind JPM, then it would be pretty
> obvious.
> Now as to Jos thinking JPM had used the brakes early...that could be
> true...from
> Jos' perspective. JPM and his teammate were way faster down the straight
> than anyone
> else. It would make perfect sense that the Williams braking point was a
> little earlier than the rest of the slugs.
> But I won't let JV off the hook so easy...until we see the lap
telemetry,
> I'll continue to
> suggest he Rammed JPM, not accidentily made contact.
> dave henrie

> > >I'd have loved to see a side-shot or (better) Verstappen's in-car
camera.
> > >It's so hard to judge what happened from the replays.

> > >Regardless, I hadn't been that e***d to see a driver leading a F1
race
> in
> > >a long time :-(

> > >Dale.

> > Same here Dale.. when Montoya passed Schumi and then showed him some
> > real racing, I went crazy.. what a race...

> > Andre

by **Ben Colema** » Thu, 05 Apr 2001 22:57:01

Maybe he spent too long in cart...sounds too nice for F1!

Ben

>I wonder why this is such a hot issue? Why is it that everybody jumps
>on his feet as soon as something happens to Montoya?
>Did anybody hear is own comments after he returned to the pits, being
>interviewed by a Dutch reporter:
>"Well, these things happen, that's racing..."
>He didn't blame Verstappen right away, so i seriously doubt if he's
>clean himself on this one....

>Blues

>> What would settle it, once and for all, would be for the two teams to
>> release the
>> telemetry tapes for the last few laps up to the ramming. If Jos' foot
was
>> buried in the throttle AFTER swing behind JPM, then it would be pretty
>> obvious.
>> Now as to Jos thinking JPM had used the brakes early...that could be
>> true...from
>> Jos' perspective. JPM and his teammate were way faster down the straight
>> than anyone
>> else. It would make perfect sense that the Williams braking point was a
>> little earlier than the rest of the slugs.
>> But I won't let JV off the hook so easy...until we see the lap
>telemetry,
>> I'll continue to
>> suggest he Rammed JPM, not accidentily made contact.
>> dave henrie

>> > >I'd have loved to see a side-shot or (better) Verstappen's in-car
>camera.
>> > >It's so hard to judge what happened from the replays.

>> > >Regardless, I hadn't been that e***d to see a driver leading a F1
>race
>> in
>> > >a long time :-(

>> > >Dale.

>> > Same here Dale.. when Montoya passed Schumi and then showed him some
>> > real racing, I went crazy.. what a race...

>> > Andre

by **Andre Warrin** » Fri, 06 Apr 2001 00:34:05

Here in Holland we have this weird 'innocent untill proven guilty'
thingie..

Andre

by **Suppor** » Fri, 06 Apr 2001 03:58:41

Found on r.a.s.f1...i laughed...

J. P. Hovercraft

------------

"My name is Juan Pablo Montoya.
"You killed my racecar.
"Prepare to die."

-------------

> I'd just like to say....

> :))

> --
> Rob Swindells
> /////////////
> Caps
> Lock

by **Steve Blankenshi** » Fri, 06 Apr 2001 05:03:21

Well Dave, as a substitute, we could use the replay of the Monza race last
night, where I stuffed my Lotus up your rear going into 2nd Lesmo. You got
a bit out of shape and hit the binders early, catching me off guard. My
replay shows my fronts locked and smoking as I nailed you going 89mph to
your 60. Boom! Maybe that's how it went down with JV and JPM at
Interlagos! ;-)

But you know, this business of getting unexpectedly rear-ended by complete
strangers might throw off your GPL vs SEX points calculation.....

Cheers,

Steve B.

> What would settle it, once and for all, would be for the two teams to
> release the
> telemetry tapes for the last few laps up to the ramming. If Jos' foot was
> buried in the throttle AFTER swing behind JPM, then it would be pretty
> obvious.
> Now as to Jos thinking JPM had used the brakes early...that could be
> true...from
> Jos' perspective. JPM and his teammate were way faster down the straight
> than anyone
> else. It would make perfect sense that the Williams braking point was a
> little earlier than the rest of the slugs.
> But I won't let JV off the hook so easy...until we see the lap
telemetry,
> I'll continue to
> suggest he Rammed JPM, not accidentily made contact.
> dave henrie

by **vailma** » Fri, 06 Apr 2001 05:20:58

LOL, that's great!

> Found on r.a.s.f1...i laughed...

> J. P. Hovercraft

> ------------

> "My name is Juan Pablo Montoya.
> "You killed my racecar.
> "Prepare to die."

> -------------

> > I'd just like to say....

> > :))

> > --
> > Rob Swindells
> > /////////////
> > Caps
> > Lock

by **Mark Seer** » Thu, 05 Apr 2001 23:47:57

I can go further back. The guy was good, racing in the British F3
championship. His talent was obvious then, though he still had a lot of
learning to do. He had the regular habit of making tyres last something like
1/2 a race in those days.

MS

> I have Enna'98 on video :) The first time I realised he was a great was
Long
> Beach'99... watching those onboard camera's was something special.

> > Were you touting him when he was in F3000 and a Williams Test Driver as
> > well???

> > I know I was...(I'm also subscribed to "Verstappen Must Die Bi Monthly")

> > DOug

> > > I'd just like to say....

> > > :))

> > > --
> > > Rob Swindells
> > > /////////////
> > > Caps
> > > Lock

> --
> Rob Swindells
> /////////////
> Caps
> Lock

by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:22:26

So that was YOU eh?? I broke the CARDINAL rule of online racing...
I moved OFFLINE to let you by and got on the grass next to the armco...Next
thing I
know, I'm ON the armco...:)
dave henrie
PS JV was accelerating THROUGH JPM, no lockups or smoking tires...;)
dh

> Well Dave, as a substitute, we could use the replay of the Monza race last
> night, where I stuffed my Lotus up your rear going into 2nd Lesmo. You
got
> a bit out of shape and hit the binders early, catching me off guard. My
> replay shows my fronts locked and smoking as I nailed you going 89mph to
> your 60. Boom! Maybe that's how it went down with JV and JPM at
> Interlagos! ;-)

> But you know, this business of getting unexpectedly rear-ended by
complete
> strangers might throw off your GPL vs SEX points calculation.....

> Cheers,

> Steve B.

> > What would settle it, once and for all, would be for the two teams to
> > release the
> > telemetry tapes for the last few laps up to the ramming. If Jos' foot
was
> > buried in the throttle AFTER swing behind JPM, then it would be pretty
> > obvious.
> > Now as to Jos thinking JPM had used the brakes early...that could be
> > true...from
> > Jos' perspective. JPM and his teammate were way faster down the
straight
> > than anyone
> > else. It would make perfect sense that the Williams braking point was a
> > little earlier than the rest of the slugs.
> > But I won't let JV off the hook so easy...until we see the lap
> telemetry,
> > I'll continue to
> > suggest he Rammed JPM, not accidentily made contact.
> > dave henrie

by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:24:56

I know, I know...I watch too much X Files...but, given the lack of
any reason why one of the worlds best drivers would suddenly go ape and
blast into another car, I can only conclude that either Rubens and Jos drank
the same
Brazillian water or nobody wants to see Williams climb back on top.
dave henrie

by **Steve Blankenshi** » Fri, 06 Apr 2001 12:01:54

Maybe it was a warping thing....lousy server. Or maybe JV thought JPM was
up the road but then a big clock smash did him in... Or...maybe....it's a
***!

;-)

SB

<snip> PS JV was accelerating THROUGH JPM, no lockups or smoking tires...;)

by **Gaul** » Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:41:18

Well, now that Speedvision is going to show F1 practice (tape delayed)
should we start working on getting F3000? :-)

by **Gaul** » Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:43:33

lol- very nice! almost makes me want to start wading through all those
exceptionally civil (*cough*) rasf1 posts. Well, maybe not.

by **Cyril M** » Fri, 06 Apr 2001 14:32:27

what else was he suppose to say, "i'll ram him back at the next race?"

sheesh.

by **Aviato** » Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:01:42

Blue, I am a Formula Ford driver, and your opinion is your right, but so far
off the mark, it isn't even funny.

In the braking zone, no matter WHAT the circumstances, the driver at the
back has the RESPONSIBILITY to anticipate what the driver ahead of him might
do. It is his responsibility NOT to hit the car in front of him.

The driver in front has the right to set the pace, and brake where he sees
fit for a corner, and it is the driver behind him's responsibility to drive
AROUND him, not THROUGH him.

Your suggestion that Montoya might not be 'clean', as you put is the most
stupid suggestion I have heard yet.

Rather get accurate information before you get into Monday morning
quarterbacking, than make the uninformed comments you have.

You are in no position to judge drivers, when you don't have a clue as to
the protocols and conventions of driving on a racing circuit

> I wonder why this is such a hot issue? Why is it that everybody jumps
> on his feet as soon as something happens to Montoya?
> Did anybody hear is own comments after he returned to the pits, being
> interviewed by a Dutch reporter:
> "Well, these things happen, that's racing..."
> He didn't blame Verstappen right away, so i seriously doubt if he's
> clean himself on this one....

> Blues

> > What would settle it, once and for all, would be for the two teams to
> > release the
> > telemetry tapes for the last few laps up to the ramming. If Jos' foot
was
> > buried in the throttle AFTER swing behind JPM, then it would be pretty
> > obvious.
> > Now as to Jos thinking JPM had used the brakes early...that could be
> > true...from
> > Jos' perspective. JPM and his teammate were way faster down the
straight
> > than anyone
> > else. It would make perfect sense that the Williams braking point was a
> > little earlier than the rest of the slugs.
> > But I won't let JV off the hook so easy...until we see the lap
> telemetry,
> > I'll continue to
> > suggest he Rammed JPM, not accidentily made contact.
> > dave henrie

> > > >I'd have loved to see a side-shot or (better) Verstappen's in-car
> camera.
> > > >It's so hard to judge what happened from the replays.

> > > >Regardless, I hadn't been that e***d to see a driver leading a F1
> race
> > in
> > > >a long time :-(

> > > >Dale.

> > > Same here Dale.. when Montoya passed Schumi and then showed him some
> > > real racing, I went crazy.. what a race...

> > > Andre

by **David G Fishe** » Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:15:56

So if someone jams on the brakes right after the start, he won't get any
blame for the pileup that follows?

There is no set rule like you just described. If someone does something
completely unexpected like braking too early in F1, then they will deserve
and receive some blame for what follows. The braking distance in F1 is FAR
different than in FF. It's a much different form of racing.

David G Fisher

> Blue, I am a Formula Ford driver, and your opinion is your right, but so
far
> off the mark, it isn't even funny.

> In the braking zone, no matter WHAT the circumstances, the driver at the
> back has the RESPONSIBILITY to anticipate what the driver ahead of him
might
> do. It is his responsibility NOT to hit the car in front of him.

> The driver in front has the right to set the pace, and brake where he sees
> fit for a corner, and it is the driver behind him's responsibility to
drive
> AROUND him, not THROUGH him.

> Your suggestion that Montoya might not be 'clean', as you put is the most
> stupid suggestion I have heard yet.

> Rather get accurate information before you get into Monday morning
> quarterbacking, than make the uninformed comments you have.

> You are in no position to judge drivers, when you don't have a clue as to
> the protocols and conventions of driving on a racing circuit

> > I wonder why this is such a hot issue? Why is it that everybody jumps
> > on his feet as soon as something happens to Montoya?
> > Did anybody hear is own comments after he returned to the pits, being
> > interviewed by a Dutch reporter:
> > "Well, these things happen, that's racing..."
> > He didn't blame Verstappen right away, so i seriously doubt if he's
> > clean himself on this one....

> > Blues

> > > What would settle it, once and for all, would be for the two teams
to
> > > release the
> > > telemetry tapes for the last few laps up to the ramming. If Jos' foot
> was
> > > buried in the throttle AFTER swing behind JPM, then it would be pretty
> > > obvious.
> > > Now as to Jos thinking JPM had used the brakes early...that could be
> > > true...from
> > > Jos' perspective. JPM and his teammate were way faster down the
> straight
> > > than anyone
> > > else. It would make perfect sense that the Williams braking point was
a
> > > little earlier than the rest of the slugs.
> > > But I won't let JV off the hook so easy...until we see the lap
> > telemetry,
> > > I'll continue to
> > > suggest he Rammed JPM, not accidentily made contact.
> > > dave henrie

> > > > >I'd have loved to see a side-shot or (better) Verstappen's in-car
> > camera.
> > > > >It's so hard to judge what happened from the replays.

> > > > >Regardless, I hadn't been that e***d to see a driver leading a F1
> > race
> > > in
> > > > >a long time :-(

> > > > >Dale.

> > > > Same here Dale.. when Montoya passed Schumi and then showed him some
> > > > real racing, I went crazy.. what a race...

> > > > Andre