rec.autos.simulators

by **Matti Hirvone** » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 06:01:17

I have this weird problem with frame rate. When Im playing offline all by
myself I have worse framerate than in Vroc with all the other players. With
AI cars it`s almost impossible to play. In Vroc I can use all the details in
mirrors but offline I cant get same FPS even with mirrors and dynamic
lighting turned off. This is very annoying especially in that hairpin at
Rouen where FPS drops to 24-25 and in Vroc it`s solid 36. And YES, I`m not
using FSAA offline and all the other graphic settings are also same than in
Vroc. So can someone help me?

Abi KT7
Duron 800
256 Mt
Geforce 256 Sdr
SB AWE 64
LWFF
CH Pro Pedals
Telewell TW-5614 modem

by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:36:25

That would sound like your cpu reaching it's maximum. Online removes the
AI calculations from the mix and frees up the cpu for improving frame-rate.
So when you are offline, the the cpu has to work harder to keep all the AI
info correct. You might want to move the graphic detail more to the left
to lessen the strain on your system.
Good luck
dave henrie
btw...N4 Online runs much faster than offline as well.

by **Matti Hirvone** » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 21:31:47

I understand this with AI but when playing alone framerate is still worse
than in Vroc. So are you saying CPU has to work with AI even there is no AI
cars on track? I wonder how it`s possible that Duron 800 Mhz reach its
maximum with game which is almost three years old?

by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 02 Aug 2001 22:43:40

It is a possibility. Think for a moment, go back the 3 years to when GPL
was released....can you remember ANY system that could run GPL with full
detail and full fields...
But now seeing your single player vs vroc framerates, that does sound a
bit odd. Remove the ai from your testing and you shouldn't be burdening the
cpu. I would suggest testing to see how far you have to move the details
slider, I think that item has the greatest effect on GPL framerate.
As a last resort...are you using the opengl 3d graphics or the D3D? I
would suggest, based on other users input here, that the D3D 'should'
outperform opengl on your system. Give both a try and see if that makes a
difference
Good Luck.
dave(gotta read those posts more thoroughly)henrie

> > That would sound like your cpu reaching it's maximum. Online removes
> the
> > AI calculations from the mix and frees up the cpu for improving
> frame-rate.
> > So when you are offline, the the cpu has to work harder to keep all the
AI
> > info correct. You might want to move the graphic detail more to the
left
> > to lessen the strain on your system.
> > Good luck
> > dave henrie
> > btw...N4 Online runs much faster than offline as well.

> I understand this with AI but when playing alone framerate is still worse
> than in Vroc. So are you saying CPU has to work with AI even there is no
AI
> cars on track? I wonder how it`s possible that Duron 800 Mhz reach its
> maximum with game which is almost three years old?

by **Tom Pabs** » Sat, 04 Aug 2001 00:39:21

You have an antique system (spec wise) and if you are running GPL with
upgraded tracks and/or cars and tires and***pits....your system isn't good
enough to get much better performance than you report. GPL is a CPU
intensive sim.......and a Duron 800 is weak by today's CPU standards. Added
to the problem is you are using a sound card that requires CPU cycles to
operate (as opposed to an SB Live which essentially uses "zero" CPU
resources).

Tom

by **Peter Ive** » Sat, 04 Aug 2001 09:04:53

What kind of modem is that? Is it just a 56k internal one? If so,
then perhaps it's a software modem stealing some cpu cycles.
--
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by **Rafe McAulif** » Sat, 04 Aug 2001 11:46:05

Tom, I disagree that it is too weak to run GPL properly. Agreed, the
s/c will slow things down a bit, but a Duron 800 and gf 256 should
easily be able to get 36 fps.

I had a k6-2 300 and voodoo banshee which had no problem getting 36
fps at 800x600, and his system is easily 4xfaster.

Are you using d3d or openGL? d3d is usually faster I believe. Set
mirror refresh lower (although you had them turned off didn't you?

You didn't say what res you're using, but you should be able to run
800x600 at least, and prob 1024x768 as well.

Make sure you don't have the detail slider too far to the right, keep
it in the middle at best. And check the drivers, dx8, etc.

Rafe Mc

by **Will** » Sat, 04 Aug 2001 19:38:40

Hey,

Ditto, i disagree as well. I had a K6-2 400 with an OLD 4mb Rendition V2100
board that would hit 36fps. There's something else wrong in the system. GPL
is indeed a CPU intensive sim, but it certainly shouldn't overpower an
800MHz processor.
--
In memory of DE,
- Will
- M1MS
- http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> Tom, I disagree that it is too weak to run GPL properly. Agreed, the
> s/c will slow things down a bit, but a Duron 800 and gf 256 should
> easily be able to get 36 fps.

> I had a k6-2 300 and voodoo banshee which had no problem getting 36
> fps at 800x600, and his system is easily 4xfaster.

> Are you using d3d or openGL? d3d is usually faster I believe. Set
> mirror refresh lower (although you had them turned off didn't you?

> You didn't say what res you're using, but you should be able to run
> 800x600 at least, and prob 1024x768 as well.

> Make sure you don't have the detail slider too far to the right, keep
> it in the middle at best. And check the drivers, dx8, etc.

> Rafe Mc

> >You have an antique system (spec wise) and if you are running GPL with
> >upgraded tracks and/or cars and tires and***pits....your system isn't
good
> >enough to get much better performance than you report. GPL is a CPU
> >intensive sim.......and a Duron 800 is weak by today's CPU standards.
Added
> >to the problem is you are using a sound card that requires CPU cycles to
> >operate (as opposed to an SB Live which essentially uses "zero" CPU
> >resources).

> >Tom

by **Peter Ive** » Sun, 05 Aug 2001 03:00:39

>>I have this weird problem with frame rate. When Im playing offline all by
>>myself I have worse framerate than in Vroc with all the other players. With
>>AI cars it`s almost impossible to play. In Vroc I can use all the details in
>>mirrors but offline I cant get same FPS even with mirrors and dynamic
>>lighting turned off. This is very annoying especially in that hairpin at
>>Rouen where FPS drops to 24-25 and in Vroc it`s solid 36. And YES, I`m
>>not
>>using FSAA offline and all the other graphic settings are also same than in
>>Vroc. So can someone help me?

>>Abi KT7
>>Duron 800
>>256 Mt
>>Geforce 256 Sdr
>>SB AWE 64
>>LWFF
>>CH Pro Pedals
>>Telewell TW-5614 modem

>What kind of modem is that? Is it just a 56k internal one? If so,
>then perhaps it's a software modem stealing some cpu cycles.

Oops, looks like a read your post backwards. :)

Anyway, I currently have a very similar setup as yourself in terms of
hardware:

Abit Kt7a
Duron 800
SB AWE 64
Voodoo3 2000
128Mb PC 100 Ram
Thrustmaster USB steering wheel & pedals

With this system I am easily capable of running GPL at 800x600 with a
full field and detail bias set to about 2/3rds, everything turned on
except drivers arms and can start from the back with 36fps, even with my
lowly V3 2000. So its not a performance problem. I do still use the
Glide Mirror hack from Mr Smiley I believe.
--
Peter Ives
Remove ALL_STRESS before replying
If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me
GPLRank Joystick -50.63 Wheel -21.77

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