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GPL:Anybody got any tips for taming the Nurburgring

Scott B. Huste

GPL:Anybody got any tips for taming the Nurburgring

by Scott B. Huste » Mon, 05 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Im still working on a way to delete the Ring from my GPL installation
without fouling things up ;)   This way Im not stupid enough to think,
"Just take your time Scott, you will get competitive at this track with
practice!"   LOL

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Burke Well

GPL:Anybody got any tips for taming the Nurburgring

by Burke Well » Mon, 05 Jun 2000 04:00:00

The biggest thing you're gonna have to do to start turning reasonable times
at the Ring, is to simply dedicate a lot of time to learning it. And quite
simply, it's just not as hard as you might first think. It's just that the
circuit is so overwhelming at first, that most people write it off as too
damn hard, way too early, without giving the place a fair chance. Put quite
simply, don't be surprised if you find that the first lap you turn without
wrecking, turns out to be just under the nine minute mark.

It took me months of on & off practicing at the place to get to the point
that I knew which corner was coming up next. And when you get to that point,
you can focus on trying to go just a bit quicker each time around. But first
things first......

Start taking laps at the place, one after another, over & over, and think of
it like you're driving a real car to work, or to the store, on an old
country road. Just like in real life, you may not memorize every single
corner, but you'll find that after only a few repetitions, you'll start to
recognize familiar sections. And that will only improve with time. Pretty
soon, you'll not only think, "Ok, here comes that section with the bank on
the left, and I'm gonna catch a bit of air here", but you'll be thinking,
"Right after this section, I remember there being two quick rights, one
right after another". If you allow yourself the time & dedication, you'll
find yourself learning the entire track in this manner.

A few more thoughts......

I found that printing off a nice size map of the place with all proper names
of the turns was quite helpful. I kept it on my desk beside me, and would
revert back to it from time to time. "Let's see.... here's the spot where I
keep going off...maybe I need to just take that section slower...".

Contrary to a prior post, I found that downloading Greger Huttu's amazing
replay helped me tremendously. Lord knows I'm nowhere close to his time, but
watching his lap several times repeatedly will give you new inspiration as
to just how deep most corners can be taken, and how quickly certain sections
can be gone through. I'm not suggesting you try to go as fast as him by no
means, but if anything can help you shave off a few seconds off of your own
times, Huttu's replays can sure help.

Stop trying to go fast at the place. If there was ever a place where 'slower
is faster' applied, it's gotta be this place. The faster you go, the more
apt you are to wreck. And you'll never be fast if you're average lap has you
going off course a few times each lap. The first step to doing a good lap,
is to do a lap without going off course and hitting something.

Don't give up at this place. It's a damn tough track, but the satisfaction
of turning a good lap at the Ring is incredibly more gratifying than turning
a good lap at any other track. I personally think that the Nurburgring is by
far the greatest racing circuit ever simulated in a racing sim. To think
that Papyrus took the time and effort to make it as historically accurate as
it is, is awe-inspiring. If you want to see just how accurate to it's
real-life counterpart it truly is, then download some of the live footage
taken at the real circuit (still driveable in Germany today), and compare
for yourself. It's phenomenal.

Can ya tell that I love the track? (chuckle)

Hope some of this babbling helps..... Have fun,

Burke Wells

themightyp..

GPL:Anybody got any tips for taming the Nurburgring

by themightyp.. » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Well, after a long hiatus I got back on GPL and got my Spa time down to
3:30 in the Brabham. Now I think I should try another track and get
down to around 5% of a decent time. This, along with the new GPL
rankings has taken me to Deutschland and the Nurburgring. Yikes!!!!
This is tough. Most of the corners are blind so you can't see the apex
until after the brake point. Is it possible to memorize this course?
Anyway, I'm down to 9:45 but I still haven't completed a lap without an
incident. I slow down expecting danger which doesn't materialize and I
speed up out of a corner to end up too hot coming into a blind
switchback. I'm thinking a sub 9:00 lap can't be that impossible and
will shave a nice chunk of my ranking (might keep me out of the bottom
5). Plus, I think that if I can learn to drive the Ring, I'll really
know how to handle the Brabham in all situations.  Any help with this
monster would be appreciated.

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Larry Hawe

GPL:Anybody got any tips for taming the Nurburgring

by Larry Hawe » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

One thing to avoid is going to Shubi's site and downloading Huttu's
world's record replay. It is enough to make a grown man cry and venture
no farther than the safety of the 6 (?) turns at Monza. One of my
problems (other than being slow) is finding time to do 5 or 6 laps. That
represents at least an hour of my time! I am still trying to complete a
lap at The 'Ring just to get a time!! Once I do then perhaps I can take
over that bottom 5 GPL ranking position.

Good luck
Larry


> Well, after a long hiatus I got back on GPL and got my Spa time down to
> 3:30 in the Brabham. Now I think I should try another track and get
> down to around 5% of a decent time. This, along with the new GPL
> rankings has taken me to Deutschland and the Nurburgring. Yikes!!!!
> This is tough. Most of the corners are blind so you can't see the apex
> until after the brake point. Is it possible to memorize this course?
> Anyway, I'm down to 9:45 but I still haven't completed a lap without an
> incident. I slow down expecting danger which doesn't materialize and I
> speed up out of a corner to end up too hot coming into a blind
> switchback. I'm thinking a sub 9:00 lap can't be that impossible and
> will shave a nice chunk of my ranking (might keep me out of the bottom
> 5). Plus, I think that if I can learn to drive the Ring, I'll really
> know how to handle the Brabham in all situations.  Any help with this
> monster would be appreciated.

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

Sam Seni

GPL:Anybody got any tips for taming the Nurburgring

by Sam Seni » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00


>Well, after a long hiatus I got back on GPL and got my Spa time down to
>3:30 in the Brabham. Now I think I should try another track and get
>down to around 5% of a decent time. This, along with the new GPL
>rankings has taken me to Deutschland and the Nurburgring. Yikes!!!!
>This is tough. Most of the corners are blind so you can't see the apex
>until after the brake point. Is it possible to memorize this course?
>Anyway, I'm down to 9:45 but I still haven't completed a lap without an
>incident. I slow down expecting danger which doesn't materialize and I
>speed up out of a corner to end up too hot coming into a blind
>switchback. I'm thinking a sub 9:00 lap can't be that impossible and
>will shave a nice chunk of my ranking (might keep me out of the bottom

After 75 to 100 laps you can lay on your back in bed and run a tape of
the whole thing thru your head.Memorizing it is not too difficult. The
difficult  thing is to push it hard for a whole lap w/o making a big
error. After a while when you come around a bend you suddenly realize
what's ahead for the next few turns, and then the sections start
linking together. 8:36 and working. Sam
LL

GPL:Anybody got any tips for taming the Nurburgring

by LL » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Yep, get the eagle, st it up quite soft so it is slow in its response and do
most of the track in 3rd gear....on the torque, not on the power.



Jan Verschuere

GPL:Anybody got any tips for taming the Nurburgring

by Jan Verschuere » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

The single biggest improvement I made after knowing which way the track went
next (after 30-40 laps) and I'd gotten into the 8m45's was really pushing
where it is safe to do so... good for nearly 10 seconds on average.

Jan.
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> Well, after a long hiatus I got back on GPL and got my Spa time down to
> 3:30 in the Brabham. <snip>

John Simmo

GPL:Anybody got any tips for taming the Nurburgring

by John Simmo » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00


says...

I can do 3:21's there in a Brabham.

Break the track into large chunks instead of single turns. Learn to
recognize the landmarks leading up to difficult sections.  I'm doing 8:33
in a Brabham there - not the fastest, but damn respectable.

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Joachim Blu

GPL:Anybody got any tips for taming the Nurburgring

by Joachim Blu » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Hi!

Get my program "Ringtrainer" from this link:
http://www.joachimblum.de/ringtrainer.htm
What the program does is to simply change the position of your car as it is deployed onto the track. This position is defined within the "track.ini"-file. Ringtrainer now lets you chose between 11 different positions along the Nurburgring, each at the beginning of a particular section of the track. The main advatage of this is, that you can now drive through this sections multiple times in series without having to complete a whole lap inbetween. By this you can remember tricky corners faster.
Because it's written in German, I will give some installation instructions right here:
1. Download the file called "Ringtrainer.zip"
3. Download the file called "Ringtrainer_Audioupdate.zip"
2. If you don't have the VisualBasic Runtime Modules 6.00, you must also download the file "vbrun600.exe" and execute it.
4. Extract the two Ringtrainer-zips into a single folder.
5. Make a backup of your original "track.ini"-file that is in the "\tracks\nurburg"-folder of your GPL-installation.
6. Copy the "track.ini"-file of the Ringtrainer-folder into the "\tracks\nurburg"-folder.
7. Ready to rumble ;). Fire up Ringtrainer by double-clicking the exe-file.
8. Now you can choose a particular section from the dropdown-list and the program will show you the part of the track redlined in a trackmap and the deploy-point of the car via a little sceenshot.
9. You now have two possibilities to go on:
Either you start GPL normally and can start driving from that deploy-point over and over again.
Or you check the option "F4 als Hotkey aktivieren" and launch GPL via the "Start GPL"-Button. This will enable the hotkey-feature of Ringtrainer. This feature enables the F4-key as hotkey. Every time you press F4 during playing GPL, Ringtrainer moves you one point forward on the track and gives the actual positioning via voice-output so you don't have to quit GPL to choose another part of the track for training - it can be done while in GPL. Unfortunately this requires some computing-power so I left it optional for those who don't have the big PIII or Athlon under their desk ;).
OK, try the program. If you have questions or problems, you can reach me by the mail-address given on the Ringtrainer-page.
If there is further interest in this program, I'll maybe make an English version.
Sorry for my bad English btw.

Regards
Crash

Tony Whitle

GPL:Anybody got any tips for taming the Nurburgring

by Tony Whitle » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00


<snip stuff about interesting program>

Is that some sort of joke? The English in your e-mail is better than many
contributors to r.a.s. who claim it as their first language.

Tony Whitley
Ein, Zwei, Drei, errm, knowledge of German exhausted.

Michael E. Carve

GPL:Anybody got any tips for taming the Nurburgring

by Michael E. Carve » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

A good online tutorial for the Ring can be found at:

http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk/gpl.html

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Wolf

GPL:Anybody got any tips for taming the Nurburgring

by Wolf » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Drive the car as fast as it will go....not as fast as you want it to go:)




> >Hi!
> <snip stuff about interesting program>
> >Sorry for my bad English btw.

> Is that some sort of joke? The English in your e-mail is better than many
> contributors to r.a.s. who claim it as their first language.

> Tony Whitley
> Ein, Zwei, Drei, errm, knowledge of German exhausted.

Laurens de Jon

GPL:Anybody got any tips for taming the Nurburgring

by Laurens de Jon » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

No, no.  Sudkehre, Nordkehre, Hatzenbach, Hocheichen,
Quiddelbacher Hohe, and so on... there's plenty of German you
know, Tony ;)

Seriously.  That Ringtrainer must be a wonderful tool.  I still
know the first half of the Ring much better than the rest from
giving up after half a lap so many times!  I'll try it even
though I don't really need it any more (not that my 8:20 Ferrari
laps can't do with improving).

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Phil Le

GPL:Anybody got any tips for taming the Nurburgring

by Phil Le » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

What a superb utility.  Now I might finally break 9 minutes.  I'd
experimented with moving the pits but this makes it so much easier.  Here's
one vote for an English version as well.

Cheers

Phil

hanse..

GPL:Anybody got any tips for taming the Nurburgring

by hanse.. » Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Thanks everyone. I'll let you know when I can break 9:00 consistently.
I hope it doesn't take too long :-)

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