rec.autos.simulators

> That is like saying that if I take a Zip file and convert it to a ARJ file
> with a converter, my ARJ file is under the copywrite of the converter

> Or if I use Frontpage to make a webpage, my webpage now falls under
> microsoft

> Just does not work that way..

> >   I would think the moment you ran the convertor you added Dave Noonan's
> > copyright protection to that track.
> > So yeah,  Papyrus produced the original track, but anyone who converts
> > it...does so with the permission of Mr. Noonan.  Anyone who doesn't like
> > this is free to write their own convertor.
> >   This guy seems to me to be just a cheap flag waver who is riding on
the
> > coat-tails of others efforts.  And yesssss, in a sense you could argue
> that
> > Dave Noonan is riding on Papyrus's coat-tails, but he has expended quite
> > a-bit of effort to produce his convertors.  what has the French site
done?
> > Posted some leaked beta efforts?
> > dave henrie

> > > maybe code source still belongs to papy. but GPL (and icr2 and the
> others
> > si
> > > ms involved there) business exploitation belongs to Sierra. you built
> > suzuka
> > > on your own, ok it s your but I don t know who in the name of you can
> > claim
> > > any copyright on the converted tracks. you built the conv, that s all

> > > quake or half life mods are spread all over the net, and spare time
> mod'er
> > c
> > > ommunity is not on the way to extinction...

> > 8ksvbs$l

> If I buy a VCR (Davids Converter) and I then use it to copy (convert) a
> movie (a track), it does not give the company that made the VCR (David)
> ownership of my new tape (track)

> Dave sells the converter to perform a service.. converting the track..
After
> it does that, it is out of davids hands.

> >   not quite I think:
> > "IF" you had written the zip to arg convertor then the argument might be
> > similar.  (better be careful here:> with the reach of the net I "may" be
> > conversing with the pkzip orginator...)
> >   I am sure somewhere in Microsoft's EULA's they have a line that
includes
> > their copywright in all you do.  I know many of the "free" websites have
a
> > clause that makes EVERYTHING you place on their servers, their property.
> >   The convertor is NOT something that is readily available, it
"requires"
> a
> > copy of the original copyrighted material(ie the ICR2 cd) to properly
> > operate.
> >    That being said,  Dave Noonan has only a couple of options:  a)
Publize
> > the fact the tracks violate his copyright and "hope" users respect that.
> b)
> > Ignore the whole thing and watch his reputation suffer as an obviously
> beta
> > effort delutes his past efforts.  c) Hire a lawyer.
> >   Since two of these are very very bad, I would "hope" the vast majority
> of
> > RAS users and web-surfers will respect what Noonan has done for the
> > sim-racing community and not visit the french site.  A last  alternative
> > would be to flood the ISP with complaints.(not a dns attack, just a
large
> > group of users writting complaints.)
> > --
> > dave henrie
> > Free the ICR2 source code!
> > (hmm conflict in logic?)

> > > I do not agree with that at all

> > > That is like saying that if I take a Zip file and convert it to a ARJ
> file
> > > with a converter, my ARJ file is under the copywrite of the converter

> > > Or if I use Frontpage to make a webpage, my webpage now falls under
> > > microsoft

> > > Just does not work that way..

> > > >   I would think the moment you ran the convertor you added Dave
> Noonan's
> > > > copyright protection to that track.
> > > > So yeah,  Papyrus produced the original track, but anyone who
converts
> > > > it...does so with the permission of Mr. Noonan.  Anyone who doesn't
> like
> > > > this is free to write their own convertor.
> > > >   This guy seems to me to be just a cheap flag waver who is riding
on
> > the
> > > > coat-tails of others efforts.  And yesssss, in a sense you could
argue
> > > that
> > > > Dave Noonan is riding on Papyrus's coat-tails, but he has expended
> quite
> > > > a-bit of effort to produce his convertors.  what has the French site
> > done?
> > > > Posted some leaked beta efforts?
> > > > dave henrie


> > > > > maybe code source still belongs to papy. but GPL (and icr2 and the
> > > others
> > > > si
> > > > > ms involved there) business exploitation belongs to Sierra. you
> built
> > > > suzuka
> > > > > on your own, ok it s your but I don t know who in the name of you
> can
> > > > claim
> > > > > any copyright on the converted tracks. you built the conv, that s
> all

> > > > > quake or half life mods are spread all over the net, and spare
time
> > > mod'er
> > > > c
> > > > > ommunity is not on the way to extinction...

:
> > > > 8ksvbs$l

> Wha? I think you lost track of this thread my boy.  I was one of the first
> one stating that those guys did something wrong, yet that doesn't mean we
> can't question any validity of a software.  What insinuated from my tree
> branch in this thread was an obvious questioning which brought many good
and
> bad arguments, and in the end I think created a consensus stating that
free
> tracks should always be continued to be created, and that asking legally
to
> track owners would be equal a definitive "no" and attract the attention of
> track owners to the problem.

> > With out the effort of Dave Noonan, and the GPLEA, we would be racing on
> only 11
> > tracks, instead of having 50 to choose from.

> Well duh!  But should we all do this at the expense of doing this legally?
> That's my point boy, that doesn't mean I say we should tear down all those
> track creators.  Of course you can't see such point it seems.

> > So, dont hold your ***ing breath for a responce to your smart ass
> question
> > about Suzuka,,,***weed

> It wasn't me you "dickweed".  It was somebody else.  Half-plonk to you
also.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't
realise
> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

> Naw, it's not my intent.  I love his tracks, but that doesn't mean I can't
> raise some issues here.  There is a possibility that the track itself is
> created in the illegality.  If it's not (like per example the GPLEA
tracks)
> then fine.  But are really BH, Suzuka or any other tracks created with the
> approval of the track owners themselves?  This would mean that ALL
converted
> tracks would need approval.  Be sure that if you call the Pocono raceway
and
> ask them "if you could convert their old track from N2 to N3 since it's
not
> in it", they wouldn't want.  Same goes for any other converted track no?

> With the editing tools being more and more user-friendly (well they are
> quite too difficult for the common mortals  but they are much more easier
> than before), it is a problem that is very likely to happen in the future.
> Some person will create a track for GPL and put himself in trouble.

> I mean cmon guys.  We all remember the Daytona clones.  GPL isn't immune
to
> all those problems.  GPL tracks are the same thing, they aren't different
> from any other tracks, so I'm just insinuating that if X track is done
> without approval, than the whole argument is irrelevant.  I still wish
those
> stupid people at the French pits would delete the tracks, whatever legal
or
> not they are in the first way.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.WeRace.net
> -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't
realise
> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.