rec.autos.simulators

> I thought I would go at this from a different angle and see what all you
> people thought. If you are like me you have purchased a number of
> games/sims in the past. Some may be several years old but you still fire
> them up because there is something special, others began collecting dust
> after just a few weeks or months. In the past I would buy just about
> every auto game/sim that came out but .. at least for me things have
> changed. Sure I still drive GP2,N2,ICR2,Soda etc occasionally but I am
> getting pickier about where my money goes.  Money doesn't grow on trees
> and it should be spread around based upon each persons priorities. What
> other interests you have in life and how much money you have to spare
> will determine your game buying purchases. If I will only play/drive
> something a few weeks before it bores me I see no point in shelling out
> $40 or $50.  So I will only buy a game that I will use again and again
> for many months. That doesn't mean I think my preferred game/sim kicks
> your preferred game/sims ***and either one of  us is superior inferior
> to each other. Of course some games/sims influence that process and that
> is what has happened to me in the past 10 months.  I recently tried a
> new sim and it was excellent but I came to the conclusion that it would
> be a dust collector in a few weeks, doesn't mean I didn't like it, I
> just have my priorities. I guess i'm just a picky bastard and will only
> spend my hard earned money on something I will drive for a long time.
> What about you people?
> JM - go ahead and shoot me now, I have a $6000 bicycle...

> JM, I *TOTALLY* agree.... I am far more selective now with all of the
> info on RAS and elsewhere on the net. I take all the info in and try to
> make sense out of it... sometimes more difficult than it seems.

> I think demos really can make or break it for me too... I did not buy
> CPR because of the demo. Hated it, steered like a Mack truck. (which
> brings up another point that the developers should not rush a beta out
> to make people happy, because a bad one will make FAR MORE people mad)

> But the end result is that I am more selective. I think some of it may
> be due to the excellence of GPL... it's simply raised the bar real high
> for me and I won't settle for anything that's drastically far from that
> in terms of physics and game play. I still jump into N2 and other now
> and then, but GPL is realistically the ONLY game I play almost everyday
> (even if only for about 15 minutes).

> After GPL, the new sims out there will have to be something special in
> order to capture my $$. N3 will be a slam dunk, because it uses the same
> physics engine. Trans-Am, Le Mans and others that are on the way will be
> evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Don't get me wrong, I WANT to buy new
> sims and love the variety. But Nascar Revolution shows that we HAVE to
> be ultra picky and *** the developers, or else we will get junk like
> that.

> So I am not very likely to buy as many titles as I did in the past.

> --Dave

> Hey, tell me about your bike! I have 5 bikes in the garage between me
> and my wife... and I still don't think I've hit your plateau! ;-)

> > I thought I would go at this from a different angle and see what all you
> > people thought. If you are like me you have purchased a number of
> > games/sims in the past. Some may be several years old but you still fire
> > them up because there is something special, others began collecting dust
> > after just a few weeks or months. In the past I would buy just about
> > every auto game/sim that came out but .. at least for me things have
> > changed. Sure I still drive GP2,N2,ICR2,Soda etc occasionally but I am
> > getting pickier about where my money goes.  Money doesn't grow on trees
> > and it should be spread around based upon each persons priorities. What
> > other interests you have in life and how much money you have to spare
> > will determine your game buying purchases. If I will only play/drive
> > something a few weeks before it bores me I see no point in shelling out
> > $40 or $50.  So I will only buy a game that I will use again and again
> > for many months. That doesn't mean I think my preferred game/sim kicks
> > your preferred game/sims ***and either one of  us is superior inferior
> > to each other. Of course some games/sims influence that process and that
> > is what has happened to me in the past 10 months.  I recently tried a
> > new sim and it was excellent but I came to the conclusion that it would
> > be a dust collector in a few weeks, doesn't mean I didn't like it, I
> > just have my priorities. I guess i'm just a picky bastard and will only
> > spend my hard earned money on something I will drive for a long time.
> > What about you people?
> > JM - go ahead and shoot me now, I have a $6000 bicycle...

> --
> Dave Schwabe
> The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/~schwabe

> > OOOhh... kick-ass mountain-bike!! :-) I see... I have a *lowly* aluminum
> > GT Avalanche (for my mountain-bike that is). Still great fun. The only
> > bike that I know came close to your price tag is a road-bike racer I
> > work with who had a custom Waterford built to his specs...

> > Ride on!

> > -_Dave

> Hmm, GT's rock:) Here's to my alu Zaskar LE :)

> off topic? sure.....but it has more downforce than a Lotus 49 :-)

> Matt

> --

> Matthew Knutsen

> "The Art of Legends" - GPL add-ons
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> OOOhh... kick-ass mountain-bike!! :-) I see... I have a *lowly* aluminum
> GT Avalanche (for my mountain-bike that is). Still great fun. The only
> bike that I know came close to your price tag is a road-bike racer I
> work with who had a custom Waterford built to his specs...

> Ride on!

> -_Dave

> Thanks for the support. I was beginning to think I was the only one who felt
> this way.
> As for the bike... merlin titanium tsali, sid fork, xtr, thompson composite,
> crossmax wheels, etc etc. That money pit has stopped, sanity reigns again.
> JM

> > JM, I *TOTALLY* agree.... I am far more selective now with all of the
> > info on RAS and elsewhere on the net. I take all the info in and try to
> > make sense out of it... sometimes more difficult than it seems.

> > I think demos really can make or break it for me too... I did not buy
> > CPR because of the demo. Hated it, steered like a Mack truck. (which
> > brings up another point that the developers should not rush a beta out
> > to make people happy, because a bad one will make FAR MORE people mad)

> > But the end result is that I am more selective. I think some of it may
> > be due to the excellence of GPL... it's simply raised the bar real high
> > for me and I won't settle for anything that's drastically far from that
> > in terms of physics and game play. I still jump into N2 and other now
> > and then, but GPL is realistically the ONLY game I play almost everyday
> > (even if only for about 15 minutes).

> > After GPL, the new sims out there will have to be something special in
> > order to capture my $$. N3 will be a slam dunk, because it uses the same
> > physics engine. Trans-Am, Le Mans and others that are on the way will be
> > evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Don't get me wrong, I WANT to buy new
> > sims and love the variety. But Nascar Revolution shows that we HAVE to
> > be ultra picky and *** the developers, or else we will get junk like
> > that.

> > So I am not very likely to buy as many titles as I did in the past.

> > --Dave

> > Hey, tell me about your bike! I have 5 bikes in the garage between me
> > and my wife... and I still don't think I've hit your plateau! ;-)

> > > I thought I would go at this from a different angle and see what all you
> > > people thought. If you are like me you have purchased a number of
> > > games/sims in the past. Some may be several years old but you still fire
> > > them up because there is something special, others began collecting dust
> > > after just a few weeks or months. In the past I would buy just about
> > > every auto game/sim that came out but .. at least for me things have
> > > changed. Sure I still drive GP2,N2,ICR2,Soda etc occasionally but I am
> > > getting pickier about where my money goes.  Money doesn't grow on trees
> > > and it should be spread around based upon each persons priorities. What
> > > other interests you have in life and how much money you have to spare
> > > will determine your game buying purchases. If I will only play/drive
> > > something a few weeks before it bores me I see no point in shelling out
> > > $40 or $50.  So I will only buy a game that I will use again and again
> > > for many months. That doesn't mean I think my preferred game/sim kicks
> > > your preferred game/sims ***and either one of  us is superior inferior
> > > to each other. Of course some games/sims influence that process and that
> > > is what has happened to me in the past 10 months.  I recently tried a
> > > new sim and it was excellent but I came to the conclusion that it would
> > > be a dust collector in a few weeks, doesn't mean I didn't like it, I
> > > just have my priorities. I guess i'm just a picky bastard and will only
> > > spend my hard earned money on something I will drive for a long time.
> > > What about you people?
> > > JM - go ahead and shoot me now, I have a $6000 bicycle...

> > --
> > Dave Schwabe
> > The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/~schwabe

> Thanks for the support. I was beginning to think I was the only one who felt
> this way.
> As for the bike... merlin titanium tsali, sid fork, xtr, thompson composite,
> crossmax wheels, etc etc. That money pit has stopped, sanity reigns again.
> JM

> > JM, I *TOTALLY* agree.... I am far more selective now with all of the
> > info on RAS and elsewhere on the net. I take all the info in and try to
> > make sense out of it... sometimes more difficult than it seems.

> > I think demos really can make or break it for me too... I did not buy
> > CPR because of the demo. Hated it, steered like a Mack truck. (which
> > brings up another point that the developers should not rush a beta out
> > to make people happy, because a bad one will make FAR MORE people mad)

> > But the end result is that I am more selective. I think some of it may
> > be due to the excellence of GPL... it's simply raised the bar real high
> > for me and I won't settle for anything that's drastically far from that
> > in terms of physics and game play. I still jump into N2 and other now
> > and then, but GPL is realistically the ONLY game I play almost everyday
> > (even if only for about 15 minutes).

> > After GPL, the new sims out there will have to be something special in
> > order to capture my $$. N3 will be a slam dunk, because it uses the same
> > physics engine. Trans-Am, Le Mans and others that are on the way will be
> > evaluated on a case-by-case basis. Don't get me wrong, I WANT to buy new
> > sims and love the variety. But Nascar Revolution shows that we HAVE to
> > be ultra picky and *** the developers, or else we will get junk like
> > that.

> > So I am not very likely to buy as many titles as I did in the past.

> > --Dave

> > Hey, tell me about your bike! I have 5 bikes in the garage between me
> > and my wife... and I still don't think I've hit your plateau! ;-)

> > > I thought I would go at this from a different angle and see what all you
> > > people thought. If you are like me you have purchased a number of
> > > games/sims in the past. Some may be several years old but you still fire
> > > them up because there is something special, others began collecting dust
> > > after just a few weeks or months. In the past I would buy just about
> > > every auto game/sim that came out but .. at least for me things have
> > > changed. Sure I still drive GP2,N2,ICR2,Soda etc occasionally but I am
> > > getting pickier about where my money goes.  Money doesn't grow on trees
> > > and it should be spread around based upon each persons priorities. What
> > > other interests you have in life and how much money you have to spare
> > > will determine your game buying purchases. If I will only play/drive
> > > something a few weeks before it bores me I see no point in shelling out
> > > $40 or $50.  So I will only buy a game that I will use again and again
> > > for many months. That doesn't mean I think my preferred game/sim kicks
> > > your preferred game/sims ***and either one of  us is superior inferior
> > > to each other. Of course some games/sims influence that process and that
> > > is what has happened to me in the past 10 months.  I recently tried a
> > > new sim and it was excellent but I came to the conclusion that it would
> > > be a dust collector in a few weeks, doesn't mean I didn't like it, I
> > > just have my priorities. I guess i'm just a picky bastard and will only
> > > spend my hard earned money on something I will drive for a long time.
> > > What about you people?
> > > JM - go ahead and shoot me now, I have a $6000 bicycle...

> > --
> > Dave Schwabe
> > The Aussie Toad -- Grand Prix Legends & Brabham site
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/~schwabe

>I concur.  I think that developers need to start realizing that as sims
>become more and more advanced people are not going to want to shell out 40
>or 50 bucks for a sim that wont be supported 6 months down the road.  Yet
>I'm sure if the sim is good that they'd be willing to spend 20 or so bucks
>on new updates to the game, redone graphics/physics/sound/whatever engines,
>new tracks, new cars, etc.


>> I thought I would go at this from a different angle and see what all you
>> people thought. If you are like me you have purchased a number of
>> games/sims in the past. Some may be several years old but you still fire
>> them up because there is something special, others began collecting dust
>> after just a few weeks or months. In the past I would buy just about
>> every auto game/sim that came out but .. at least for me things have
>> changed. Sure I still drive GP2,N2,ICR2,Soda etc occasionally but I am
>> getting pickier about where my money goes.  Money doesn't grow on trees
>> and it should be spread around based upon each persons priorities. What
>> other interests you have in life and how much money you have to spare
>> will determine your game buying purchases. If I will only play/drive
>> something a few weeks before it bores me I see no point in shelling out
>> $40 or $50.  So I will only buy a game that I will use again and again
>> for many months. That doesn't mean I think my preferred game/sim kicks
>> your preferred game/sims ***and either one of  us is superior inferior
>> to each other. Of course some games/sims influence that process and that
>> is what has happened to me in the past 10 months.  I recently tried a
>> new sim and it was excellent but I came to the conclusion that it would
>> be a dust collector in a few weeks, doesn't mean I didn't like it, I
>> just have my priorities. I guess i'm just a picky bastard and will only
>> spend my hard earned money on something I will drive for a long time.
>> What about you people?
>> JM - go ahead and shoot me now, I have a $6000 bicycle...