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DO the cars in GP2 actually have different performance ..........................

Bruce Kennewel

DO the cars in GP2 actually have different performance ..........................

by Bruce Kennewel » Fri, 12 Jun 1998 04:00:00

A wonderful answer to a question that was never asked.

Would you PLEASE.....PLEASE simply respond to my question, which was
posted here two days ago?


> There is very little point in arguing as you are all set your minds on how
> things work in contridiction of that we have been told internally.

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Mark Ric

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by Mark Ric » Fri, 12 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Mr ?,

All replies are answered "Mark Rich/MicroProse-Europe" therefore are not the
opinions of myself but the same line that is given via email, telephone and
fax to anyone who contacts Customer Services in the UK.  People are not
treated any different in their response wherever it may be sourced from.

UK support via myself will no longer be posting any more replies in this
newsgroup that has led a small number of people to send further insults and
accusations against me.  Instead all replies to future problems, that are
known to us left here, will be answered to the individial directly.

Further clarrification of the company line may be obtained from PR as you
wish, although the information
we supply people at all levels is the same and it is my understanding that
any "end-user" enquiries regarding our products will be forwarded back to CS
for replying to.

Regards,
Mark Rich/MicroProse-Europe




>>If anyone has any SERIOUS questions please send them to me instead of the
>>insults and factually incorrect assumptions that made this simple answer
to
>>a simple queston so long.

>>Regards,
>>Mark Rich/MicroProse-Europe

>Mark,

>Serious question:

>Are we to take the views as expressive of Microprose, be it MPS Europe, or
MPS
>as a company, or take them as the expressed opinion of Mark Rich.

>If you are unwilling to answer this- which by and large you have so far, i
>guess i'll have to seek clarification from Jason Dutton at MPS's PR
>Department.

>Regards

>Z.

Zonk

DO the cars in GP2 actually have different performance ..........................

by Zonk » Fri, 12 Jun 1998 04:00:00


Fine. This is what i was seeking clarification on.

One would hope you are answering people directly as well as in a public forum
anyway, should they ask questions. As for the insults, it's quite apparent
that you have not realised to the level you have insulted participants of this
group.

If your comments are the public line of a company like Microprose than i guess
we can understand why the company is in such a financial quagmyre.

Who at anytime suggested i was interested in this manner as an end-user?
I am interested in MPS statements as a person who works in the industry.

Thanks for finally answering my question,

Z.

Uwe Schuerka

DO the cars in GP2 actually have different performance ..........................

by Uwe Schuerka » Fri, 12 Jun 1998 04:00:00



>Jo,

>If you don't beleive I am at MicroProse-Europe Customer Services try calling
>us one day on the telephone.
>We can then tell you directly the answer to any of your questions.
>Better to know than to fan the factually incorrect comments the others leave
>in the newsgroups.

>Mark Rich/MicroProse-Europe


Hi Mark,

can you tell me then if tyre wear in gp2 depends on driving style
(e.g., can you go easy on the tyres) as opposed to f1pg where a fixed
amount of *** would be scratched off the tyres for every driven
lap?

Another thing I noticed and that I found quite strange: The other
day I downloaded and installed the 98 track pack from www.gp2.com.
I tried driving Canada, pole time was a low 1:18, I think, but then
I did not like the ORDER of the tracks, so I re-installed the original
tracks and copied the new Canada Track over the original one. Strangely
enough lap times went up into the 1:23 area, although the track is
basically the same... Can anyone shed some light on this situation?

Thanks in advance for your comments,

Uwe.

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Atla

DO the cars in GP2 actually have different performance ..........................

by Atla » Fri, 12 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Mark,

Thanks for answering the questions we had asked. If you've been mailed
personally with abusive comments I am sorry that there are people who feel
that is the way to act. However, your answer has left me and, I'm sure, others
worried about the future of MPS products as far as keeping them alive through
third-party addons.

I for one will be thinking carefully before picking any MPS product up again
as a company that does not appreciate it's customers is one I don't want to
support.

Rgds

Atlaz

Andrew Fielde

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by Andrew Fielde » Fri, 12 Jun 1998 04:00:00


> "Dialogue"?
> Crap!  The bloke through a load of garbage back at me!  I never raised
> the question of editors!

Sure you did Bruce. You mentioned editors in your original question -
magazine editors :)

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Richard Hassel

DO the cars in GP2 actually have different performance ..........................

by Richard Hassel » Fri, 12 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Hi Mark,

My question would be did you ever try an editor like GP2edit by Steven
Young.
If not you should really give it a try.
With this editor you do change the cars performance, if you want you can
have a Larrousse (1994 original version) win every race.

Richard Hasselt

"A lot of people think racing is about going fast. But it's not. It's about
going just slow enough to stay on the track."
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Richard Hassel

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by Richard Hassel » Fri, 12 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Atlaz schreef:

I have to agree here..

Richard Hasselt

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going just slow enough to stay on the track."
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Bruce Kennewel

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by Bruce Kennewel » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Ooops....got me! :o)



> > "Dialogue"?
> > Crap!  The bloke through a load of garbage back at me!  I never raised
> > the question of editors!

> Sure you did Bruce. You mentioned editors in your original question -
> magazine editors :)

> --

> UK.

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Zonk

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by Zonk » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00



>>Serrious question:

>>Are we to take the views as expressive of Microprose, be it MPS Europe, or MPS

>>as a company, or take them as the expressed opinion of Mark Rich.

>Out of interest, in August last year, I took issue with one of Mr Rich's
>posts to this ng. He responded and I sent another email. This time someone
>else wrote back:
> Any retail title you see on a shelf that doesn't say something like "
> Officially Licenced Product" or "Endorsed by MicroProse", ( or
> something to that effect,)  STEAR CLEAR OF THEM ....  THEY ARE
> ILLEGAL ......  If you do come across something like this, please
> alert us as soon as possible.  Last year, we gave away a bunch of
> free stuff to customers for helping us ferret out this junk.....

> I hope this answers your questions, and yes, you have my permission
> to post this e-mail to your forum ( in it's entirety..)

Again, much to this guys protestation's they are simply not illegal. MPS might
have you convinced that they are, and there are indeed behind the scenes many
court action procedding, but not have been of the outcome so far that indicate
this would be illegal.

Some companies think these things are bad, somecomes (Eidos springs to mind)
believe they are a very good part of the software world. Whether u would buy
one or not comes down to the customer, i would see. If they are clearly not
contianing any copyright code... then there can be no issue.

Quite obviously, they may not be endorsed by MPS, but this does not exactly
make it a bad product either.

Z.

Dr Paul Hoa

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by Dr Paul Hoa » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00

All,

We can end this NOW

How about MPS employee's identify themselves as valid MPS employee's by
answering the following unpublished questions then I will keep a list of valid
MPS email
addresson my track editing site. Any worthwhile support engineer should be
able to either know this or find this out.

I ask this becuase I've already had correspondence with one person
'pretending' to be Geoff and they got it wrong!

Q)  What piece of information about GP2 track format is stored just before
the JAM files

Q)  What is the maximum number of internal objects that can be stored in a
Track File

Q)  What is the code for identifying internal objects in F1GP and GP2
track files

Paul Hoad

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Jo Hels

DO the cars in GP2 actually have different performance ..........................

by Jo Hels » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00



I eat my hat if Mr. Rich could answer that question (taking his "knowledge" of
GP2 into account). What people "out there" found out can be read at the track
manager page:(visit it!!)

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/7479/

I quote:

"?The time multiplier. I don't think really that something like a time
multiplier exists. It is only a try to describe this effect when you move a
track from position to position. If you take a track file and put it to all
available positions in GP2 (this means: you copy f1ct01.dat to all available
slots: f1ct01.dat .. f1ct16.dat) you have only one circuit in the game, but in
every slot. If you drive a fast lap on this track on every of the 16 ?positions,
you won't feel any difference between the slots. Well, its still the same track
why should make it a difference wether you drive it ?on slot 1or on slot 16. But
the times shown by the computer differ a lot.?If you meassure the real time you
need for a fast lap with a stop watch you will see, that the times are still the
same. Only the times shown by the computer are differnt. This is caused by the
"time multiplier".? "

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Peter Gag

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by Peter Gag » Sat, 13 Jun 1998 04:00:00



> Why is everyone giving Mark Rich such a hard time. This is the
> first time I've ever seen someone from Microprose post in this
> ng. Surely he's in a position to give definitive answers to
> questions we'd all like answered.

Mark Rich has posted here many times since GP2 first appeared, and
IMHO he has *NEVER* given a straight answer to a straight question?

8-)

*Peter*
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Jim Dunph

DO the cars in GP2 actually have different performance ..........................

by Jim Dunph » Sun, 14 Jun 1998 04:00:00

Try answering that one Mr. Rich and if you can we will all apologize!
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> All,

> We can end this NOW

> How about MPS employee's identify themselves as valid MPS employee's by
> answering the following unpublished questions then I will keep a list of
valid
> MPS email
> addresson my track editing site. Any worthwhile support engineer should
be
> able to either know this or find this out.

> I ask this becuase I've already had correspondence with one person
> 'pretending' to be Geoff and they got it wrong!

> Q)  What piece of information about GP2 track format is stored just
before
> the JAM files

> Q)  What is the maximum number of internal objects that can be stored in
a
> Track File

> Q)  What is the code for identifying internal objects in F1GP and GP2
> track files

> Paul Hoad

> --
> Dr Paul Hoad PhD BEng AMIEE
> Senior Software Developer (Java)

> 2 Milbanke Court
> Milbanke Way
> Bracknell
> Berkshire
> RG12 1RP
> England

> Work: +44 (0) 1344 426486 ext.104
> Fax:  +44 (0) 1344 426615
> ICQ Number (UIN) 8719582

Jim Dunph

DO the cars in GP2 actually have different performance ..........................

by Jim Dunph » Sun, 14 Jun 1998 04:00:00

My final words on the topic are these:

If it wasn't for all the people out there doing these "hacks" and editors I
doubt that GP2 (or any other sim) would have lasted as long as it has. It
isn't perfect, far from it. These people, like Steve Young, if nothing else
have probably put money in Microprose pocket! Look at some of the pieces of
***software that are out there. Do they have the support out there like
N2 or GP2 has? NO! We the people give new life and extend the play of what
are other wise "unfinished" games.
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