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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:46:40

I disagree with your sentiment...and I *think* that is what Mr. Pabst was
REALLY trying to get across.

If we simply ignore such behaviour then we are as much at fault as those who
carry out the behaviour.

I still believe, Jan, that put a cross-section of RAS users together in the
same room and their behaviour, when face-to-face, would not be so nearly as
anti-social as is displayed herein.

If that were so, then why not behave in the same manner in a newsgroup?

Odd, isn't it?!

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Mon, 15 Jan 2001 11:52:29

Yes, Simon. Of *course* it's my opinion. That's exactly what I was "voicing"
and, in his own style, that's what Mr. Pabst was doing.

And if he doesn't agree with the manner in which a poster made a comment
then he is also entitled to express his opinion...which he did without
recourse to rudeness.

The core of the whole matter is not the Wests, is not the progress of WSC
and is not whether those who fought in WW2 (or ANY conflict) did so to
uphold one's rights to free speech.

The matter at hand is simply 'manners', 'courtesy' and 'etiquette' and their
use (or otherwise)l.
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:05:42

I sincerely believe that the art of communicating via the written word has
declined dramatically over the past decade.
Usenet is akin to e-mailed office memos........too much gets lost in the
translation because people try to write as they speak and, in so doing, it
is well-nigh *impossible* to get across the feelings behind the words.

Victor Borge once did a skit on phonetic punctuation, where symbols were
replaced by sounds.
We need a similar thing for Usenet, where feelings are advised by symbols.
I suppose the smiley face is a start but there's a whole lot more that could
be incorporated.
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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> Bruce, did you read my post carefully? My core message was: I agree with
> you on goal but not method or philosophy.

etcetera.

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:21:20

Dunno....did you?
And I can only assume that you would have been the moderator, perhaps, Mr.
C?
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Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:13:58

This is what I can't understand, Simon; this "little else on the horizon to
look forward to" thing.

Is it because people get bored with what may have been their all-time
favourite or is it because it's a "gimme, gimme" attitude?

For example, I've had GPL ever since it was released. Weeks may pass and I
won't play it and then I might hit it every night for a week. It is as
enjoyable and challenging now as when it was fresh. The graphics and sounds
still please me, as do the physics. Now, although WSC is no doubt intended
to be "next generation" (or possibly evolutionary rather than
revolutionary), I am not of the mindset where I "have to have it".
If it eventuates this year, that's fine. If not, then that's fine too.

What I don't understand, I suppose, is the fact that people get bored so
quickly and so easily.
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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by **Bruce Kennewel** » Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:19:51

Simon, I think that I alluded to that in the last line of my response.
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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(paragraph cut)

> -a *reasonable* argument for civility? There are good arguments for
> civility, but drawing on the debt of those who gave their lives in two
world
> wars isn't one of them. This is just meaningless diatribe.

> > He's not "dictating", Chris.
> > He's simply placing an argument for civility.

> > Cut through the bulk of the post and that's what comes out.

> > --
> > Regards,
> > Bruce Kennewell,
> > Canberra, Australia.

by **Jari Keto** » Mon, 15 Jan 2001 12:26:46

[snip]
[snip]

[Not refering to anyone in particular - just had to get
it out of my system.]

<FLAME ON>
Replace "right" with "responsibility" and you're on the right
tracks. To me it seems some US citizens dwell on the "freedom
of speech" to the extent that they feel they absolutely _have to_
*** about everything. It's almost as if they would be missing
out on something if they didn't. Freedom of speech doesn't make
it OK to be an ***. I suppose the Constitution should include
Freedom of Appreciation, Freedom of Gratitude and Freedom of
Common Sense as well...
<FLAME OFF>

My 0.02e for the night.

-Jari
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by **Barton Brow** » Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:42:04

>...and dislike seeing turds being released on the market...

Maybe it's just the Winter doldrums, but is there an English word in any
lexicon that has quite the pungency and unmistakeable directness of
"turd?" The more common 4-letter Anglo-Saxonism for manure can have many
meanings, depending on emphasis, placement, and usage, but a turd is a
turd is a turd. A turd by any other name just wouldn't quite make the grade...
BB

by **ymenar** » Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:56:11

> I still believe, Jan, that put a cross-section of RAS users together in
the
> same room and their behaviour, when face-to-face, would not be so nearly
as
> anti-social as is displayed herein.

Bruce, it's not just your opinion, it's a fact. Long since the start of the
Usenet (and the Internet) have opinions and words been written differently
then if they were spoken in real-life. Both in a good and bad way. The
fact that it's the only free world (even though it's virtual) in existence
makes it for the good and for the worst. Some people might be more
arrogant, or ignorant, or anti-social, or dumb, or whatever you may say, but
at the same time they are more real, more human, more social.

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

by **Eric Cot** » Mon, 15 Jan 2001 14:42:41

Vapor ware ??? you think WSC is ???

Eric

http://www.simracingmag.com

> I think the main concern folks have is about vapour ware.

by **Dave Henri** » Mon, 15 Jan 2001 15:58:14

Hmmm Eric. Think me have you case bad of Yoda-itis
henrie dave

by **ymenar** » Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:28:50

> > Vapor ware ??? you think WSC is ???

> Hmmm Eric. Think me have you case bad of Yoda-itis
> henrie dave

;-D

--
-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
-- May the Downforce be with you...
-- http://www.ymenard.com/
-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

by **Mart** » Mon, 15 Jan 2001 17:13:54

God save us from the self-righteous.

Marty

> < Sniped >
> This is not about "rights"....it is about "privileges".....and this forum's
> freedom is one of those "privileges" that we should cherish, in my opinion.
> Lots of people, have given up their lives willingly......so I can type this
> message to you today. There was a time in the history of this world, within
> my lifetime even....when that wouldn't have been possible. These valuable
> lives.....those people who were "sons, daughters, fathers, brothers,
> sisters, mothers, grandparents" to many people alive today......some of whom
> are likely to be visitors of this newsgroup......these lives were not spent
> so we could just "post" any old thing that comes to our mind. Their lives
> gave us the "gift" of this forum......with this gift comes the
> "responsibility" for us to preserve it for others, now and in the future.
> Being rude, abusive, foul and stupid......isn't being "responsible!" It is
> being lazy!

< Sniped >

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:00:31

Once again I thank you, Frank, for your support and confirmation.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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> > I still believe, Jan, that put a cross-section of RAS users together in
> the
> > same room and their behaviour, when face-to-face, would not be so nearly
> as
> > anti-social as is displayed herein.

> Bruce, it's not just your opinion, it's a fact. Long since the start of
the
> Usenet (and the Internet) have opinions and words been written differently
> then if they were spoken in real-life. Both in a good and bad way. The
> fact that it's the only free world (even though it's virtual) in existence
> makes it for the good and for the worst. Some people might be more
> arrogant, or ignorant, or anti-social, or dumb, or whatever you may say,
but
> at the same time they are more real, more human, more social.

> --
> -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
> -- May the Downforce be with you...
> -- http://www.ymenard.com/
> -- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't
realise
> how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.

by **pjgt..** » Mon, 15 Jan 2001 20:11:39

Overall, I agree with the sentiment of your post (even if it was a tad
long and a ***y bit pompous).

However, there are too many school kids, idiots and people who are just
plain rude on usenet, (amongst those who really should know better) for
the type of posts you refer to in your message to stop appearing.

There will always be one or two wingnuts.....

Nice post other than that though, and I for one will be delighted to try
WSC when it finally arrives, no matter when that may be....

8-)

*Peter* - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~peterpc/home.html

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