rec.autos.simulators

Have you heard about the saying, people in glass houses.....

Below  is a thread that I've copied for you to take note. This guy was only
expressing his opinion, and I believe you belittled him in your reply?
Also some quotes at end of page.

Copied from thread  Re: NH Car body changes

Thop....

"Think" is something you should do before making "post" like that for
goodness sakes, man!

Do you not realize "making a Winston Cup Stock car" that handles like an
IndyCar to be equally stupid?

Could it occur to you that one must change the car 3D body...AND, the car
physics....and that would be a two-step process that our young friend may
not know how to change the car physics yet?  Or, even if he does, he chooses
to create the "car body" first?

You ask "what is the point.........?"  Can you answer your own question now?

Tom

Snipped a whole lot......

This is your quote Tom--  "You ask "what is the point.........?"  Can you
answer your own question now?"

Well can you Tom??  Here is another quote from Tom--  "What you don't have
the "right to do"....is to be rude."

Sorry Tom, while I agree with what you posted about being rude in posts, I
just thought it was a little hypocritical.

Rgds Phil... Mostly a lurker :)

Hmm...let's start with the obvious....sports cars....1967 F1 cars....where's
the resemblance?

Just want to add, I've been in contact with Chris and Tony for some time now,
believe me these guys wants WSC out as much as we do. But Chris and Tony are
so perfectionist that they won't let WSC out until they are fully satisfied with
all aspects. They are lucky in some way to have Empire behind them, that is,
Empire are
willing to listen to them and the how and why there's delay. Contrary to EA
Sport who will force a sim develloper to bring it out, no matter what (F1 2000
first version for instance). Last note, the delay of WSC from Q2 to Q3 2001 is
not totally there responsability, Empire wants simultaneous release of the PC
and PS2 version. There's a distinct group working on WSC for the PS2.

Patience guys, patience, the long wait for WSC will be justified when you'll see
what it's all about...
?

Take care

Eric

http:/www.simracingmag.com

Yet, I don't remember reading worse remarks than comments in the vein
of: "Oh no, not another delay!" or "Let's not hype the sim too much in
advance!" Could you point me to the article that triggered this
posting of yours? It must have been *very* obnoxious to warrant a 100
line response like this... ;)

I agree.

I disagree. Not everybody lives in the US, but since the US
constitution seems to be the most popular source to quoted under
similar circumstances, allow me to point out that the amendment which
ensures the "freedom of speech" guarantees everybody's right to -
under the appropriate circumstances and with a few exceptions - say
whatever they want. This includes saying stupid or even rude things.
(Slander, as defined by law, is a case for the courts, however.)

It is debatable whether it is useful or even morally acceptable to be
rude. But being rude (who is to define the limits between 'frank' and
'rude' anyway?) is certainly everybody's right.

This does not mean you and I have to like all the ***that's being
written. We can write our own responses, or even ignore it.

Pardon? What do you mean by "this forum"? RAS? I sincerely hope nobody
got killed to make RAS possible! That wouldn't have been worthwhile...
A teleological view of history where every deed and sacrifice became
meaningful by the final creation of RAS. That's scary!

But even if we extend your premise to the whole of Usenet, I still
can't see exactly what conclusion you want us to draw...? "In honor of
those who died, let's keep Usenet a nice place!" It somehow doesn't
make any sense at all.

It often is.

I don't know. But do you suggest setting up a RAS Net Cop Squad to
bully the stupid and rude ones into behaving themselves? I must say I
don't like this idea too much... There are quite a few moderated sim
racing forums (fora?) - maybe those places are more to your liking.

Excuse me, but what 'evil' do you refer to? Bad manners?

And let me answer with another quote from memory. Wasn't it Voltaire
who said something like: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will
defend to the death your right to say it."?

[snip rest of article]

I never met the West bros, but I saw screenshots and films of WSC, and
read interviews with the guys. It seems to me as if they are really
nice guys with a lot of talent.

I understand why you want to defend them against unjust accusations. I
also understand that you want to show your support for them.

But really, your argument is way over the top and actually leads in
the direction of the thoughts that those who "have given up their
lives willingly" actually died fighting against.

For fear of 'pulling a Godwin' myself, I will stop here. ;)

--
Wolfgang Prei? / Spam me and bear the consequences!

             / http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Tom I agree with your point, at least some of the way, but you do seem just
a little to righteous for my taste...

Leave the West's to do their job, and lets all just get on with our lives,
until the day WSC will capture us all in a GPL like grip. We agree that
far....

But please quit trying to use cheesy "history lessons" as a way to decide
what
people should do or not do here in RAS...
I get sick when i read stuff like "Lots of people, have given up their lives
willingly......so I can type this message to you today."

No offense to the rest of you guys from over there, but only an American
could write such driveling pathetic sentimental nonsense.... I hope you just
got carried away when writing the post.

Come off the high horse please, and say what you want to say in a more
direct manner...

--
Mikkel
http://www.simracing.dk

Sudesh

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Though I havn't had chance to check out all the threads the past couple of
weeks, I have been keeping track of most things going on in here over the
last couple years and I have seen not one derogatory remark about the West
brothers.

You have a right like any of us to disagree and we have the right to ignore
you as you do us.  However you musn't dictate what can and cannot be said.

Chris

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GPL FD League
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Simbok Racing
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Remove _your_clothes before replying

There has been a trend towards the arrogant belief, this childish demand, by
a minority of posters, that software developers "owe" us ; that they are
beholden to us, that they are answerable to us during the gestation period
of their product and that they should be uotputting to a schedule set by us.

Nobody out there in developer-land "owes" us anything.  They are NOT
required to dance to our tune. Unless we are shareholders in their business
we are potential customers and nothing else.

Just as we have to wait for the next novel from our favourite author, the
next movie from a favourite director, so do we await the next piece of
*** software that titillates us. The author doesn't write to our
timetable, the film studio doesn't jump to our command, so why should we
expect a game developer to do so?

Because some of us behave like petulant children who have never been taught
common courtesy or the basic elements of good manners.

--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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etcetera

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Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
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