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by **Eldre** » Fri, 19 Jul 2002 07:50:09

>Maybe this "***" mode could be logged on the internet, and maybe
>leagues could have a requirement that any potential members had, eg, logged
>50 hours of "***" practice time, or 200 laps of a specified circuit,
>before allowing admission?

Now THAT would be cool... Although it would be hell for people who have to pay
for internet time by the minute.

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by **Eldre** » Fri, 19 Jul 2002 07:50:10

>> >THOUGHT: option to insist on FFB for realism league admins.

>> That would SUCK - many people still don't own a FF wheel... :-(

>Why would it suck if it was used in a full realism league where FFB was
>mandatory?

Some people who want realism(damage, race length) don't *have* a FF wheel.
Besides, all FF wheels aren't the same, so the 'realism' aspect could vary
wildly...

Limited tires offline wouldn't make people practice MORE than they do now.
They'd just have less laps now, which I don't think would help anything.

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by **jason moy** » Fri, 19 Jul 2002 08:10:12

It's kinda funny, but I've always avoided FF for that exact reason.

If something is realistic, it's not subjective - it's exactly the way
the real thing works. FF is so subjective I can't imagine it ever
becoming a realistic indication of what a car is doing.

Plus when I've tried to use it I've mostly found it annoying. Give me
a non-FF wheel with a nice tight action any day.

Jason

by **Mats Lofkvis** » Fri, 19 Jul 2002 16:57:23

Even if it _was_ a good idea (which I don't think it is), it would
still be completely useless as you can't stop anyone who doesn't like
the force feedback (or are faster without it) from turning it off.

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by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 19 Jul 2002 22:20:35

"Mats Lofkvist"

> Even if it _was_ a good idea (which I don't think it is), it would
> still be completely useless as you can't stop anyone who doesn't like
> the force feedback (or are faster without it) from turning it off.

> _
> Mats Lofkvist

Sure you can....just require that all racers have a *** and a central
host can verify that ff is working on each unit. this host can sit there
in front of 43 screens to insure that none of the drivers accesses the ff
settings during the race.
what? I didn't say it would be practical ... :)
dave henrie

by JM » Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:22:29

>>Maybe this "***" mode could be logged on the internet, and maybe
>>leagues could have a requirement that any potential members had, eg,
>>logged 50 hours of "***" practice time, or 200 laps of a
>>specified circuit, before allowing admission?

> Now THAT would be cool... Although it would be hell for people who
> have to pay for internet time by the minute.

> Eldred

You could run the laps offline, and upload the "results" to a server. (like
submitting your GPL Rank times). That wouldn't be perfect, as if the files
are on the player's PC, in theory that player can "hack" the files. Qould
anyone go to all the trouble though, to join a league?

Seeing as WRL is apparently going to have unique id's for the cars you
have, it would seem that at least the relevant data will be collected for
league admins to analyse potential members.

cheers
John

by **Gerry Aitke** » Sat, 20 Jul 2002 02:26:19

> Some people who want realism(damage, race length) don't *have* a FF wheel.

They shouldn't be in this kind of league then. And this kind of admin.
option would stop 'em sneaking in. :)

Matters not, as rules just say FFB must be used. WRL.exe could even
check windows to make sure FFB is on and above an agreed strength.

Less laps, yes, but laps of more quality and thoughtfulness. Which, in
turn, would make for more realistic behaviour and performance, IMO.

Gerry

by **Eldre** » Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:54:23

>> Limited tires offline wouldn't make people practice MORE than they do now.
>> They'd just have less laps now, which I don't think would help anything.

>Less laps, yes, but laps of more quality and thoughtfulness. Which, in
>turn, would make for more realistic behaviour and performance, IMO.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. I don't think it would change behavior
*or* performance. <shrug>

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