Hi!
I am debating between GP2 or ICR2 for my first racing game. For the above
hardware, which will I enjoy more?
I guess I'm not too concerened about turning off some details (like the sky?)
but I would like to have mirrors & such that is essential to driving. P100,
from what I read in this newsgroup, might not be powerful enough to enjoy GP2?
Should I go ICR2?
TIA.
Robert
After nearly a month of playing GP2 and not touching ICR2, I tried
ICR2 today and I'm sorry to say it doesnt appeal to me anymore...
With the same graphic levels as ICR2 I think you could run GP2 really
well... think about it.. in ICR2 you see nothing in your mirrors but
cars..in gp2 you can add other textures at your liking. Also in ICR2
the trackside objects are very limited and with GP2 you can have the
same level of gfx and more if you want...
Finally , my point is: Both are good but GP2 can offer a lot more in
terms of gfx. And im not talking about the sound...
anyway, thats my humble opinion
Bottom line: Any serious racing simmer will definitely buy both.
Someone who just wants to mess around, no learning curve wanted,
should skip ICR2 and use the optional arcade-features offered in GP2.
: I am debating between GP2 or ICR2 for my first racing game. For the above
: hardware, which will I enjoy more?
: I guess I'm not too concerened about turning off some details (like the sky?)
: but I would like to have mirrors & such that is essential to driving. P100,
: from what I read in this newsgroup, might not be powerful enough to enjoy GP2?
: Should I go ICR2?
I have a P90 with a similar setup to yours. You can run either one. Go
for the one that appeals to you. They both have the weakness and
strengths.
Even though another post says one can turn on all kinds of things in the
mirrors, I don't think you will want to bog down you system with
anything but the cars and maybe one other item in the mirrors on GP2.
I run in SVGA with the bare minimum of detail/objects. This gives me an
overall frame rate slightly lower than in ICR2.
If you are looking for a sim where the car is easier to control, go for
GP2. If you are looking for a sim where you have to continualy be on
the edge controlling your car go for ICR2.
If you are looking for a sim with tons of items you can tweak on the car's
setup go for GP2.
If you are looking for a sim with close racing and enjoy ovals along
with road courses go for ICR2.
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Craig Marcho
Robert...guess that depends on if you're lookin for an arcade game vs a
racing sim. GP2 WILL run acceptably on your 100, with appropriate
graphics settings, but it's molasses/time warp 'feature' when in heavy
traffic places it solidly in the ranks of an arcade game. I laff my
ass off when folks start talkin about the AI in GP2...WHAT AI??
Ya have to sit there and wait for the program to decide that 'all is
clear' and then you have 'some' modicum of control over your car...
GP2=Great sound, Great graphics (when not actually RACING another car)
but is also Greatly Flawed by this weird 'feature'.
On the other hand, in ICR2 you 'feel' the sensation of speed, the AI is
about as close to the real thing as I've ever played, and it SHOULD run
like a bat out of hell on your 100. It does on my 90. On my 166, it's
so responsive that major tweaks in setup vis a vis my 90 were promptly
in order.
ICR2=Adequate sound, Good graphics, Unmatched (to date) wheel to wheel
racing.
If you're new to sim racing...GP2 MIGHT be the ENTRY level sort of
thing, but once you're really in the genre...you can't beat
Indy2/Nascar. But both Indy2/Nascar will require heaps more time
dedicated to setup/testing et al. I own 'em all, I race 'em all...
GP2 is good for a relaxing change of pace, when you're just one or two
'tweaks' away from that 'perfect' setup you've been working on all day
in Indy2 or Nascar...'ya know...kind of like a beer 'n buddies thing.
Enjoy...duncan.
>>Hi!
>>I am debating between GP2 or ICR2 for my first racing game. For the
above
>>hardware, which will I enjoy more?
>>I guess I'm not too concerened about turning off some details (like
the sky?)
>>but I would like to have mirrors & such that is essential to driving.
P100,
>>from what I read in this newsgroup, might not be powerful enough to
enjoy GP2?
>>Should I go ICR2?
>After nearly a month of playing GP2 and not touching ICR2, I tried
>ICR2 today and I'm sorry to say it doesnt appeal to me anymore...
>With the same graphic levels as ICR2 I think you could run GP2 really
>well... think about it.. in ICR2 you see nothing in your mirrors but
>cars..in gp2 you can add other textures at your liking. Also in ICR2
>the trackside objects are very limited and with GP2 you can have the
>same level of gfx and more if you want...
>Finally , my point is: Both are good but GP2 can offer a lot more in
>terms of gfx. And im not talking about the sound...
>anyway, thats my humble opinion
: You want to know why ICR2 has better wheel to wheel racing? The way
: Formula 1 cars are designed it's very hard to race wheel to wheel. And
: Gp2 simulates this very well. I mean you rarely see real F1 drivers 5
: or 6(Except in the first few laps of the race) in a row just because of
: the way they are designed. I have heard the FIA might change some rules
: to allow more exciting racing.
It is more a case of great disparity between teams than the design of
the car itself. Alot of this has to do with the philosophy differences
between FIA and CART. It seems that FIA is more interested in the
competition between engine builders and chassis builders than in
competition between drivers. Whereas CART allows this to a degree.
Their prime concern, deliver a sport with more parity between teams.
In CART whenever a particular team starts to get too far ahead of the
others, the rules are changed to bring them back together. Take a look
and see 2 of the names in the top 5 for points in CART. You'll find
Christian Fittipaldi and Alessandro
(I-don't-know-why-he-changed-it-to-Alex) Zanardi. Where were they 2
years ago in F1? True, Zanardi seems to be driving for the best team in
CART at the moment. But even Christian is ahead of his teammate,
Michael Andretti.
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writes
Funnily enough I thought exactly the same thing, and I thought GP2 was
perhaps too easy to drive on the edge - when you're really flat out.
The problem wasn't GP2, the problem was ME - I _wasn't_ driving on the
edge as I thought. Once you're running sub 1:10 at Aida, sub 1:20 at
Jerez, it is certainly no arcade game. The most minor setup changes are
required to hone the handling, and driving must be smooth and precise.
The only gripe I have is the way GP2 models going OVER the edge and
losing control, but as long as you're in control it is FAR from an
arcade game. When you have a competitive setup and times it is just as
rewarding to drive as anything else on the market just now.
Cheers!
John
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Since you are not interested in the arcadish features, you probably
should be going VGA and no detail. That should take care of a lot of
the slow down junk on a P90, and jeeze, on your P160, you can live a
little an put some trees in!
I'm on a 486-100mhz, and generally I don't get slow down, definitely
not once a race is actually going. I need to keep the frame rate at 14
or something abyssmal though.
I think the AI is very good; it genuinely responds to what you are
doing. In ICR2, there are simply places you learn never to be aside an
AI guy; they act like you aren't right next to them. GP2 guys will
commit suicide rather than take you out- anybody out there get
reckless on occassion and force an AI guy off the road? In ICR2,
they'd almost always take me out too. Cheaper cars means bigger risks,
I suppose!
> Robert...guess that depends on if you're lookin for an arcade game vs a
> racing sim. GP2 WILL run acceptably on your 100, with appropriate
> graphics settings, but it's molasses/time warp 'feature' when in heavy
> traffic places it solidly in the ranks of an arcade game. I laff my
> ass off when folks start talkin about the AI in GP2...WHAT AI??
> Ya have to sit there and wait for the program to decide that 'all is
> clear' and then you have 'some' modicum of control over your car...
> GP2=Great sound, Great graphics (when not actually RACING another car)
> but is also Greatly Flawed by this weird 'feature'.
On Sat, 17 Aug 1996 01:25:36 -0400, Robert Knauber
>> Robert...guess that depends on if you're lookin for an arcade game vs a
>> racing sim. GP2 WILL run acceptably on your 100, with appropriate
>> graphics settings, but it's molasses/time warp 'feature' when in heavy
>> traffic places it solidly in the ranks of an arcade game. I laff my
>> ass off when folks start talkin about the AI in GP2...WHAT AI??
>> Ya have to sit there and wait for the program to decide that 'all is
>> clear' and then you have 'some' modicum of control over your car...
>> GP2=Great sound, Great graphics (when not actually RACING another car)
>> but is also Greatly Flawed by this weird 'feature'.
the AI in gp2 is much better (opinion). I am an avid player of GP2
and ICR2, love them both. GP2 is better in most respects. This
'molasses/time warp 'feature' will be a non factor once we upgrade our
p90's (never).
Crammond should have given his 'Ideas' to Papyrus, they could have
coded the thing for much smoother graphics (i think). I am not sure
yet, but I still play gp2 much more. Its still the new kid in town,
when this wares off we'll see if ICR2 gets more game time.
Jeff
Agreed, your comments in the SRN GP2 review were spot on IMHO.
The car model is terrific with the exception that once you start going
into a spin, nothing short of locking up the brakes will stop the back
end from coming around. After a bit of time you get used to how much
braking will stop the spin, but it still feels rather unnatural.
That so far, and the lack of realistic damage mode are my only real
gripes with GP2.
It runs pretty well on my P166 Triton2, with sky and track off and a
few things off on the mirrors, my Occupancy stays about 70% most of
the time, so I am not having problems with the time differences,
although I can see how people with lower systems would get anoyed with
it. Still without slowdowns and with all the help and aids off, I
think calling GP2 an arcade game is wrong. It feels very much like a
sim, and once you start working on a competitive time and setup you
really start to appreciate the suttle details that are in the driving
model.
Why does everyone have to pick and choose between GP2 and ICR2?? They
are both great at what they do, I just ran a couple of laps at Elkhart
Lake the other night and ICR2 is still fun, I think BOTH will be
staying on my harddrive for a long time to come.
Cheers.
--John
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Seattle, Washington USA.
: Why does everyone have to pick and choose between GP2 and ICR2?? They
: are both great at what they do, I just ran a couple of laps at Elkhart
: Lake the other night and ICR2 is still fun, I think BOTH will be
: staying on my harddrive for a long time to come.
How Right You Are! If it weren't for Geoff & Papyrus, all the sims
would be basically the same. Look at the way Geoff hasn't strayed too
far from the core of GP1. Yes he has dressed it up and tweaked it and
added some nice features, but it is still the same "artistic" approach
as we saw in GP1. The same goes for Papyrus, Indianapolis 500 the
Simulation begat ICR, which begat NASCAR, which begat ICR2, which is
"expecting" NASCAR2. All of which carry the same gene sturcture.
Take 'em for what they are and enjoy when possible.
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Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.
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Thanks to all of you RACING GURUs out there who answered my post :-) I think
I'll purchase ICR2 ... now, see if I have enough for a steering wheel in my
piggy bank. Thanks again.
Robert
