rec.autos.simulators

The same as the three incredible GPL demos (Monza duel, Car wrecks into a
fence and the GPL in-car lap at the Glen).  The same as the millions of
people who paid (like me) eight dollars just to see the two minute Star Wars
: Episode 1 trailer at the movies.

Tell me where you saw October of 98.  The first official announcment of N3
had a release date of Christmas 98.  That's only two months ago remember.

Not really.  If you check it out it goes the same way as they marketed GPL.
Oh and most of the current games have all the same problem of pushed dates
and so. I mean your beating a dead horse here.

GPL first release date : X-mas 97
N3 first release date : X-mas 98
GPL pushed date : Spring of 98
N3 pushed date : Spring of 99
GPL final release date : Fall of 98
N3 final release date : Fall of 99

Yeah the 3year old Ubisoft game engine.  Yeah the 3year old EA Sports game
engine.  The SportsCar GT game engine who is similar to the X-Car game
engine but realistic (not close GPL at all).  Or the Codemaster canned
physics.

The only titles is the Microsoft Chicago car chases game and Trans-Am
Racing.

As for Rally99 and Grand Prix 3, we all know what happened to the "to hyped
to be true" Cart:Precision Racing about good looking screenshots.

Yeah EA Sports and the "little tweaked"  Nascar 99 title now called Nascar
Revolution. Game engine is full of canned routines and it's made for a more
easy driving crowd.  Oh with the marketing hype of such things as "THUNDER
AI"  "STACCATO SOUND".  LOL sorry.

-= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
-= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.racesimcentral.net/
-= SimRacing Online http://www.racesimcentral.net/
-= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
-= May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Oh yeah,that's right, it'll be out in October.

That will only put it about 1.5 years behind schedule.

How many of you PAPY NASCAR freaks lustily waited for N3's release October
of 98?

How many of you were let down then?

I'll admit I was one of 'em. Did you ever think you'd be wating another
full year back then?

Now I'm hoping some competition arrives on the scene.

Those Papy boys did wonders with GPL, but even that game engine will be
obsolete come the end of 1999.  

C'mon all you Auto-sim gamers! Quit kissing Papy's boots and start asking
some of the other sim-makers for a NASCAR title.

The more competition the better! It's time for a next generation driving
sim and NASCAR is the perfect vehicle for delivering it.

The fastest growing spectator sport, attended and watched by more people in
the USA than the NBA, Major League Baseball, NHL, NCAA Football and
Basketball and all other sports save the NFL deserve a top-notch sim.

If tennis and soccer can have a decent sim why the hell can't NASCAR???!

BTW Sierra, many thanks for the full refund for NR99.

It lends credence to the old adage: "you get what you pay for".

  However, since Papyrus is the only company making GOOD Nascar
Simulations <for now> I'm glad they're still creating products.

although I wish they'd work FASTER!

-Richard

     Released before it was ready...and almost crippled
by the endless list of bugs.

     NASCAR 3 will be ready when it's ready.

S.C. "Gritz" Petty
Spectre Racing
http://members.xoom.com/Gritz/Spectre/spectreracing.htm

Personally I couldn't care less about NASCAR sims... I want them to do
CART using their newest sim engine.  Too bad Sega now has the *exclusive*
rights to do the next CART computer program.  More video game ***I
suppose...

from racer.com:
? CART has concluded an exclusive worldwide arrangement with Sega of
America to produce computer software, game and video products based on the
FedEx Championship Series

Hmmm Papyrus did get a license for CART until 2001 no ?

It may be a press release error or maybe "it will be exclusive at the end of
their license". Let's hope it is.

-= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
-= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.racesimcentral.net/
-= SimRacing Online http://www.racesimcentral.net/
-= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
-= May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Mmmmm - what exactly is going to beat it? Anything which is going to
render that engine obsolete by end-99 better be almost finished now,
and I've yet to see anything remotely close to it (and that having
tried almost everything that's currently available or "on the way").

I'd be happy if something did come along that was "better" (although
it's difficult to imagine what could be improved), but I'd _love_ to
see a CART sim come out of that Papy engine.

It's been done. We're still laughing.

You've gotta be kidding me?! The perfect vehicle for delivering a
driving sim is a 200mph school bus? I'd rather see a Formula Ford sim,
F1, CART or even (if you must have tin-tops) a Touring Car or
Sportscar sim. More varied cars, handling, tracks, styles. NASCAR sims
are good, but I'd place a whole lot of things in the queue ahead of
NASCAR as the perfect vehicle for a new engine. Some sports (like the
two mentioned above or rallying) don't have any sim at all yet.

They haven't, or at least tennis hasn't. I've yet to see a decent
tennis sim, although FIFA'99 is a pretty good football sim.

Cheers!
John

Now I know we are going to upset a lot of our friends across the water who
just love Nascar to bits, but like you I would put Nascar way down the list
as a flagship for an auto sim engine.

The prospect of N3 just doesn't e*** me - I'd rather the resources were
pumped into ICR3, or any number of open wheel or saloon car racing titles.
What about on-line rallycross for testing friendships?

Way off topic - but imagine a Papy sim using the GPL engine based on famous
car chases!

Cheers!

Tony

Any suggestions for tracks?

1) Bullit (of course)
2) The French Connection
3) The Driver (with Rhino Neal)
4) Speed (keep the NASCAR fans happy...) ;-)
5) Perm any two Bond movies!
6) Any Dukes of Hazzard episode

On the subject of the Dukes of Hazzard, can anyone explain to me why
their friends were named so lewdly? I'm thinking specifically of***
and***oris (okay, they were Enos and Cleetus but you get my drift).

Cheers!
John

Trips

Let's hope its not....otherwise after no CART sims when 2001 gets reached,
all we'll have is ***from Sega.

like ?

;-)

-= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
-= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/
-= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/
-= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
-= May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Although, I suppose, I'm generalizing wildly, the stuff is all over the
place.

Of course, this should not be shocking from the land that brought us Benny
Hill . . . {:>

dk

PS  Speaking of TV culture, has anyone heard that Jerry Falwell has a outed
a member of one of the U.K.'s biggest cultural exports, the Teletubbies?

Joe