Gerry
> >> When?
> >Lunchtime I believe it was, just before Ralf Schumacher turned up to
> >sign autographs.
> >Why is the time so important?
> Maybe I was unclear. I wasn't so interested in when one of the Wests
> announced they were going to look into it. I was asking about when
> it would be implemented in their upcoming-any-day-now sim.
Gerry
I tried this in my own sim, but I found it to be very disorienting and
actually made driving a whole lot more difficult. It feels very odd when
your "virtual head" isn't under your control. IMO, a wide field of view (70
degrees or more) with a view position that reacts to lateral and
longitudinal acceleration is a better alternative - you'll see enough of the
road on both sides, and get a good sense of speed as well.
On the other hand, one might get used to it after some practice. Of course,
it wouldn't hurt to have it as an optional feature. Or maybe it could only
kick in at low speeds, when you need to negotiate a very tight corner that's
out of the normal field of view, kind of like the GPL steering hack. :-)
Petri Blomqvist
Why not let "the driver" look to the racing line ??
Mathew
> > Hi All
> > Don't you think that the driving experience in sims would be heightened
if
> > one's view behind the wheel was not dead forward but rather in the
> direction
> > of the cars movement. If you think about how your head moves when you
> > drive, you follow the direction the car is going, not just look straight
> > ahead.
> > For instance, if you let the back hang out in a corner, you would be
> looking
> > slightly sideways, following the corner, rather than staring straight
> ahead
> > at the kerb. I wonder if any sims ever implemented something like this.
> I tried this in my own sim, but I found it to be very disorienting and
> actually made driving a whole lot more difficult. It feels very odd when
> your "virtual head" isn't under your control. IMO, a wide field of view
(70
> degrees or more) with a view position that reacts to lateral and
> longitudinal acceleration is a better alternative - you'll see enough of
the
> road on both sides, and get a good sense of speed as well.
> On the other hand, one might get used to it after some practice. Of
course,
> it wouldn't hurt to have it as an optional feature. Or maybe it could only
> kick in at low speeds, when you need to negotiate a very tight corner
that's
> out of the normal field of view, kind of like the GPL steering hack. :-)
> Petri Blomqvist
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Gerry
I still think the premise is completely silly......but maybe I'm missing
something? So, I want to ask a question (or two):
What are you guys thinking you will accomplish with this except confusing
your brain? You can't do this in real life (in a race car or anywhere
else).....so why is it necessary to do it in a sim racing environment to
improve "driver immersion?"
If I get a sensible answer to this.....I'll have more to say.
TP
What????
Mike
http://mikebeauchamp.com
> >Hi All
> >Don't you think that the driving experience in sims would be heightened
if
> >one's view behind the wheel was not dead forward but rather in the
direction
> >of the cars movement. If you think about how your head moves when you
> >drive, you follow the direction the car is going, not just look straight
> >ahead.
> >For instance, if you let the back hang out in a corner, you would be
looking
> >slightly sideways, following the corner, rather than staring straight
ahead
> >at the kerb. I wonder if any sims ever implemented something like this.
> Many sims do that, including LFS, I believe.
Or have support for 3 monitor setups. aww yeah
Mike
http://mikebeauchamp.com
> Why not let "the driver" look to the racing line ??
> Mathew
> > > Hi All
> > > Don't you think that the driving experience in sims would be
heightened
> if
> > > one's view behind the wheel was not dead forward but rather in the
> > direction
> > > of the cars movement. If you think about how your head moves when you
> > > drive, you follow the direction the car is going, not just look
straight
> > > ahead.
> > > For instance, if you let the back hang out in a corner, you would be
> > looking
> > > slightly sideways, following the corner, rather than staring straight
> > ahead
> > > at the kerb. I wonder if any sims ever implemented something like
this.
> > I tried this in my own sim, but I found it to be very disorienting and
> > actually made driving a whole lot more difficult. It feels very odd when
> > your "virtual head" isn't under your control. IMO, a wide field of view
> (70
> > degrees or more) with a view position that reacts to lateral and
> > longitudinal acceleration is a better alternative - you'll see enough of
> the
> > road on both sides, and get a good sense of speed as well.
> > On the other hand, one might get used to it after some practice. Of
> course,
> > it wouldn't hurt to have it as an optional feature. Or maybe it could
only
> > kick in at low speeds, when you need to negotiate a very tight corner
> that's
> > out of the normal field of view, kind of like the GPL steering hack. :-)
> > Petri Blomqvist
Tom,
You cant look at a corner's apex in real life? You can't turn your head in
real life to look at a guy trying to pass you?
I think you got the wrong end of the stick.
Ash
http://www.siroccoracing.com
>> Again, what we need is some sort of mouse-control for our head
>http://www.dansdata.com/trackir.htm
>The technology is here already.
Remco
>/if rotation rate > X
> shut eyes and all other orifices
>/endif
Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim: http://www.racer.nl/
Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/
I'd go with the POV turning slightly (15-20 degrees maybe, could be
user adjustable) towards the direction of the car's movement, ie. not
tied to the steering wheel obviously... now that I think about it,
doesn't Insane have this feature in one or two driving cameras? I
think it was tied to the wheel movement though.
- Igor -
when going downhill, the image on the screen goes up a bit, and vice
versa. (or is it the other way around?)
in gpl this could make use of the letterbox format without loosing any
of the image.
it may add something to the experience, or not. something to try out.
OT bit: just this morning i read (in 'the tipping point') about an
experiment when people nodding their heads tended to have agreement to
what they were hearing at that time, and people turning their head
(side to side) tended to disagree. head movement part of the
experiment was unrelated to what they were hearing.
so i reckon the up/down thing will catch on, and no one will like the
left/right one!
dr martin.
