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N3 - Realistic Expectations

Sean Higgin

N3 - Realistic Expectations

by Sean Higgin » Tue, 07 Sep 1999 04:00:00

LOL, ya right.  ;-)

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>>> I never put down the NROS for VROC.

>I guess I missed the sarcasm I wanted to show in my message, sorry it was
>sarcasm :)

><slaps himself for not putting a <sarcasm> tag in the message>

>My fault Mike, you can flame me you know :)

Don Wilsh

N3 - Realistic Expectations

by Don Wilsh » Tue, 07 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Mike and Y:

I think we have to cut MikeM some slack here.  He is on a burning ship and
fighting a firestorm of concerns from NASCAR drivers.  I like MikeM for the
old days.  Find a job, MikeM and be Happy...

DW

Michael P. Mabre

N3 - Realistic Expectations

by Michael P. Mabre » Tue, 07 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Frankie,

    Well, not first ever but first in a very long time.  I used to be a
regular 'lurker' in RAS for several years (how else would I know about you
being the "Official Mentally Retarded Guy Of RAS" and the "Self-appointed
President of RAS"?......hehe)  Even then, I hardly ever posted (never felt

recently returned to regularly reading RAS, although I did stop in from time
to time.  I stopped because my personal interest lay in NASCAR racing and
this group was about everything but NASCAR for quite a while.  With N3
coming out very soon it only seemed natural to return to make sure that I
kept up with all the N3 information and concerns possible.

    As for NROS versus VROC, I don't feel the need for an us versus them
menatilty.  I love NASCAR racing and that's where my interest is.  But I'm
certainly not going to fault, degrade, or insult someone else just because
they enjoy a different form of racing.  That is ludicrous (that means
rediculous for you GPLers....j/k <G>)

    Personally, I hope that everybody ends up happy with whatever racing
simulation they are into.  I hope that all the different disciplines can
look at each other as comrades instead of opposition.  We all love racing in
one form or another and are actually after the same ultimate goal.  To have
simulated racing, be it online or offline, be the absolute best that it can
be.  The online crowd wants to see it grow into something on a grand scale,
no matter which style of racing it is.

    Oh well, I've written too much already and started to ramble.  I'll just
slink back into the shadows again.

Mike Mabrey


>Hey Mike nice reply :)

>First r.a.s post ever ? Your lurking here from time-to-time

Michael P. Mabre

N3 - Realistic Expectations

by Michael P. Mabre » Tue, 07 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Yes Mykey, you are probably correct about how that post came across.  For
that, I apologize.  It just gets me a little upset when people get into the
"us versus them" mindset.  It's really unnecessary.  Sorry.

Mike Mabrey


>Personally I don't think it was a nice reply and very unlike the Mike
Mabrey
>we've come to know.

>The original message contained   "The TEN jerk"...   creating a "hostile"
>thread.
>This reply did nothing more than fan the flame.

>Some threads are best left without a response.

Andrew Britto

N3 - Realistic Expectations

by Andrew Britto » Tue, 07 Sep 1999 04:00:00

oxymoron

ymenar

N3 - Realistic Expectations

by ymenar » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00


Hey Mike nice reply :)

First r.a.s post ever ? Your lurking here from time-to-time ?  I've always
informed r.a.s.ers about the NROS, and always try to reply when Mike Barlow
puts down the NROS for VROC.  I guess we will have to wait until an official
answer by SIERRA to stop speculating about all the possibilities, but I will
know a little sooner when I'll have the chance to try N3 multiplayer.  I
really don't want bad news, but I suppose it's what will happen :(

Is it hard to work when you don't know about your immediate future for your
job ?

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N3 - Realistic Expectations

by Jo » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00


>Avault covers it every 4 or 5
>months. It is usually a 15-20% online player to single-player ratio.

And that is in ONLINE surveys, that are natually biased in *favor* of
online ***.

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Jo

N3 - Realistic Expectations

by Jo » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00



>> I think the AMA Superbike system is the way to go. Both leagues and
>> pickup races, but with the pickup races including a rating system so
>> you can find races at your own level of ability (without the trouble
>> of joining a league).

>Exactly like pickup races on the NROS.

That's the for-pay Nascar online racing system? Unfortunately AMA will
also be based on a paying subscription, which will limit the numbers
or participants no matter how low the subscription rate.

Joe McGinn
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ymenar

N3 - Realistic Expectations

by ymenar » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00


I guess I missed the sarcasm I wanted to show in my message, sorry it was
sarcasm :)

<slaps himself for not putting a <sarcasm> tag in the message>

My fault Mike, you can flame me you know :)

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rolandwh..

N3 - Realistic Expectations

by rolandwh.. » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00



> I understand the math.  Would N2 be as popular without TEN?  When
Hawaii
> (remember those days) kicked off with N1, that was an INCREDIBLE
rush.  The
> multiplayer experience far exceeds what the AI will do for you.

> The sales will be there, it will be a financial success, but will I be
> playing it every day?  Without solid MP... it will be played at
times.  The
> AI experience never gets your hands sweaty or your heart racing
fast...
> NEVER... why?   You "know" that there isn't another person at the
other end.

> Its also pretty cool when you're part of a racing team, using
RogerWilco
> during the race is a fun experience.  Those AI drivers don't like to
chat
> much.

> Every carset can be tweaked to know which driver is going to run
strong or
> weak.  With multiplayer... it involves more skill.. and luck for that
> matter... no CTL-R to start the race over.

> Oh yeah, the ability to meet new people and make friends is pretty
cool too.

> Andrew "bot" B.

My feelings exactly Andrew!  I played N2 offline just every now and
then before the NROS went live, but after racing online with real
opponents, I never looked back.  I had never had so muc fun in all my
life (playing a video game).  Online against real opponents makes all
the difference in the world.

And for those of you who don't think online *** is the future, all I
can say is either you haven't ever played online, or you got your ass
kicked miserably.  Will it make or break Nascar3?  You see they
included it didn't they?

Ralo

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Ed Ba

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by Ed Ba » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00

On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 17:00:06 -0700,


Uhh.. why would you say that? I was commenting on a jerk at TEN,
not the users of TEN, and certainly not 'everybody that has ever
raced on TEN'. Did you major in hyperbole, or are you just an ***?

I was giving my opinion on the jerk at TEN's belief that N3 will fail
unless it has great MP. He is incorrect, and I said so.

Oh, and thanks for snipping my entire post. That really helps the
reader understand what we're talking about, and has the added
effect of speaking volumes for your honesty.

One more thing...

*plonk*

> I guess your opinions and ideas are much more valuable
>and closer to fact than anybody elses.  I guess from now on I should only
>read your posts and forget about everybody else's, since they are of no
>value to anybody.


>>On Mon, 6 Sep 1999 18:32:00 -0400,

>>Let's get back to the original poster's claims.

>>The TEN jerk said:

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N3 - Realistic Expectations

by Andre Warrin » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Sometimes, I simply don't get a post. Maybe it's me, but Andrew, what
are you talking about?

Andre

On Mon, 06 Sep 1999 22:50:57 -0700, Andrew Britton


>oxymoron

Tim (fusio

N3 - Realistic Expectations

by Tim (fusio » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00


>Sometimes, I simply don't get a post. Maybe it's me, but Andrew, what
>are you talking about?

It's a reference to the NASCAR -realistic expectations thread.
Read it and learn how *not* to act.
Another potentially compelling thread undermined by a game of computer
dork Match Wits. <bg>

Tim

Woodie

N3 - Realistic Expectations

by Woodie » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00


(SNIP)

You keep throwing around this 9,000 number, that's one of the main things that
drove me away from TEN.  What you really have is 1,000 honest guys, and 2,000
jerks who have four accounts each.  I really liked the rankings, and worked
hard to get to #800 with a 38 LPI despite the horrid start.  Then I realized
that the vast majority ahead of me had started over and or used seperate
accounts for pick-up racing.  Just before the NROS started, many people were
losing races purposly to get in certain divisions.  Ruined it for me.  

The only differences I see between TEN and VROC style are rankings and cost.  I
have very little trouble with warping on either, and I find chat to be moronic.
 Once I realized that the rankings were bogus, the cost seemed silly.

Don McCorkle
Libertarian Motorsports

Andre Warrin

N3 - Realistic Expectations

by Andre Warrin » Wed, 08 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Oh, I allready stopped readin that thread :)

Andre




>>Sometimes, I simply don't get a post. Maybe it's me, but Andrew, what
>>are you talking about?

>It's a reference to the NASCAR -realistic expectations thread.
>Read it and learn how *not* to act.
>Another potentially compelling thread undermined by a game of computer
>dork Match Wits. <bg>

>Tim


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