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Greg Moore Dies in CART crash....

Pierc

Greg Moore Dies in CART crash....

by Pierc » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00

After Gonzales looses his life at Laguna Sega a month ago today Greg Moore
died in a high speed crash at Montana.

Cart really has to do something about their safety standards...

-- Sjon 'Pierce' Stigter

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Schlom

Greg Moore Dies in CART crash....

by Schlom » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00

It is definately a sad and tragic thing.  However i dont know that is the
saftey standards...i mean he was going around 240 when he hit the wall.  Sure
there could be improvements but its still a huge G-Force accident.  It
definately opens a door for debate though.  Sad that someone has to die for it
to come into consideration..

Chris

Dan Belch

Greg Moore Dies in CART crash....

by Dan Belch » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00

I don't think that much of anything short of a miracle could have saved Greg's
life in this crash.  That car hit the wall with what appeared to be the top of
the car while airborne.

Dan Belcher
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Aaron Gillu

Greg Moore Dies in CART crash....

by Aaron Gillu » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00


You can't stop the damage from an accident like that, but you can put
restrictions into the cars to help prevent some of these tragic accidents
(engine size limits, exhaust limits, air foil and wing limits....etc).
Maybe nothing could have prevented this particular accident, but I think you
all know what I mean.

Aaron Gillum
#72 RDOS

Dave St.Ong

Greg Moore Dies in CART crash....

by Dave St.Ong » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00

Well, had the car no flipped in the first place, the same thing would have
happened to him as to what had happened to Richie Hearn a few laps earlier.
My point, after looking at the replay at ESPN, it would appear that when the
car went across the safety road (you can see the smoke  from the brakes on
the asphalt in the replay), it would appear that his wheel(s)caught on the
grass, causing the car to flip.  That was the exact spot where Hearn crossed
the safety road, and maybe it had an effect of getting airborne.  In a
nutshell, maybe if that entire area (like Daytona after Wallace flipped 20
something times a few years ago) was asphalt the likelyhood of the car
flipping would be greatly reduced....

Dave

Dave St.Ong

Greg Moore Dies in CART crash....

by Dave St.Ong » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00

That is certainly true, and in the case of open wheel racing, the problem is
only magnified because there is no real way to protect the heads and upper
bodies of the drivers.  In all honesty, there is no real way to prevent an
accident like Moore's, as even if he had been going slower, the way the car
hit the wall, he had no chance.....what a shame....

Dave


Brian Summer

Greg Moore Dies in CART crash....

by Brian Summer » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00

that's Fontana....


> After Gonzales looses his life at Laguna Sega a month ago today Greg Moore
> died in a high speed crash at Montana.

> Cart really has to do something about their safety standards...

> -- Sjon 'Pierce' Stigter

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Kevin McFerri

Greg Moore Dies in CART crash....

by Kevin McFerri » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00

    But that is one of my major questions.  CART implemented the Hanford
device and tunnel blockers to bring down speeds on the straights.  They've
mandated the use of superspeedway wings on short ovals in order to reduce
cornering speeds.  To a somewhat limited extent, this has worked.  Except
that you now have cars turning 230 MPH+ laps on the superspeedways (which is
almost where we were before the Hanford device) except that they have HALF
the downforce that they used to.  Situations that might be more controllable
or recoverable with more downforce aren't.  Now we have drivers downshifting
into the corners on short ovals.  Just ask Christian Fittipaldi how safe
that could be.

    I'm not trying to blast CART for what they've done in the name of
safety, but sometimes I wonder if there might be some other approach that
would work better.




> > It is definately a sad and tragic thing.  However i dont know that is
the
> > saftey standards...i mean he was going around 240 when he hit the wall.
> Sure
> > there could be improvements but its still a huge G-Force accident.  It
> > definately opens a door for debate though.  Sad that someone has to die
> for it
> > to come into consideration..

> > Chris

> You can't stop the damage from an accident like that, but you can put
> restrictions into the cars to help prevent some of these tragic accidents
> (engine size limits, exhaust limits, air foil and wing limits....etc).
> Maybe nothing could have prevented this particular accident, but I think
you
> all know what I mean.

> Aaron Gillum
> #72 RDOS


Stif

Greg Moore Dies in CART crash....

by Stif » Mon, 01 Nov 1999 03:00:00

Sad, sad news and I'm sure I speak for fellow Canadians as well as car
racing fans. Here are  a few things on the subject that are my own opinion
on this day filled with such great tragedy.

1. The drivers know what their up against before they get in the car and
remeber this, "car racing can be made safer but never safe" (not sure who
was quoted saying that, but a great quote).
2. The grass to ashpault back to grass strip on the infield acted like a
ramp (remember Rubens Barrachello at imola in 94 ramping off the high curb?)
sending the car up in the air.
3. Lucky for Richie Hearn, his car almost flipped at the same point some ten
laps earlier
4. Lets hope they add a few tires to the walls on the infield in the
future....................


>After Gonzales looses his life at Laguna Sega a month ago today Greg Moore
>died in a high speed crash at Montana.

>Cart really has to do something about their safety standards...

>-- Sjon 'Pierce' Stigter

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George Ada

Greg Moore Dies in CART crash....

by George Ada » Tue, 02 Nov 1999 04:00:00

All racing is dangerous. Open wheel racing is extremely dangerous. I agree that
all reasonable measures should be taken to protect participants and spectators,
but tragic incidents like the Greg Moore crash will occur as long as there is
racing. If it could be guaranteed that there would be no deaths or serious
injuries, it would not be the same sport.

Rest in peace, Greg Moore.

Greg Cisk

Greg Moore Dies in CART crash....

by Greg Cisk » Tue, 02 Nov 1999 04:00:00


Well this is probably what caused the crash in the first place. The
cars generate about 2000 lbs of downforce after restrictions were
put in place. They ised to produce 4000 lbs...
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> Maybe nothing could have prevented this particular accident, but I think
you
> all know what I mean.

> Aaron Gillum
> #72 RDOS


Greg Cisk

Greg Moore Dies in CART crash....

by Greg Cisk » Tue, 02 Nov 1999 04:00:00


Correct. I taped the race and was unfortunate enough to play back
the crash in super slow-mo. It is not recommended unless you want
to have night-mares...

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Joel Willstei

Greg Moore Dies in CART crash....

by Joel Willstei » Tue, 02 Nov 1999 04:00:00

> You can't stop the damage from an accident like that, but you can put
> restrictions into the cars to help prevent some of these tragic accidents
> (engine size limits, exhaust limits, air foil and wing limits....etc).
> Maybe nothing could have prevented this particular accident, but I think
you
> all know what I mean.

> Aaron Gillum
> #72 RDOS


Aaron,

    I agree,Moores accident was tragic. Unfortunately,he hit the wall with
the***pit side facing it. I'm quite sure he was dead on impact.  Open
wheel racing on ovals will always be dangerous,especially at todays speeds.

    There are no easy answers or solutions. You can't take the racing out of
racing. You can line the inside walls with tires like in Europe. But what do
you do about the outside walls?

    One thing is for sure. Way too many drivers and spectators died this
year. And if the racing associations,drivers associations,and tracks don't
do something,you can bet that the insurance companies will.

Joel Willstein

Ma

Greg Moore Dies in CART crash....

by Ma » Tue, 02 Nov 1999 04:00:00

I think one of the contributing factors to Greg's death was the car
flipping over just before it hit the concrete wall.  If the car would
have hit the wall while on it's correct plane his chance of survival
may have been a little better.  Maybe CART needs to do something with
the use of grass in the infield.  It does nothing to slow down the
cars.  Imagine if the area of grass Greg's car traveled thru before
hitting the wall would have been replaced with gravel trap.
Daniel Lichtenberge

Greg Moore Dies in CART crash....

by Daniel Lichtenberge » Tue, 02 Nov 1999 04:00:00

On Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:21:31 -0500, "Dave St.Onge"


>Well, had the car no flipped in the first place, the same thing would have
>happened to him as to what had happened to Richie Hearn a few laps earlier.
>My point, after looking at the replay at ESPN, it would appear that when the
>car went across the safety road (you can see the smoke  from the brakes on
>the asphalt in the replay),

It also seemed that Greg hit the concrete wall at an even worse angle
than Richie did. By the way, I can't understand why they built the
exit for the safety car right after turn 1 - Greg probably wouldn't
have survived it either, but as the wall opened an exit the impact
angle was almost 90 IMHO. I almost turned off my TV when I saw his
accident, I was sure he didn't have a chance of survival (apparently,
so did ESPN, at least they didn't zoom onto the wreck later, and
showed only one replay). It was the worst accident I ever saw, it was
terrible seeing him sliding, live on TV, upside down, into that
barrier, almost sure that this were the last seconds of his life... :(

The day started so well with Hakkinen's victory, and ended in such a
tragedy...

very sad
Daniel

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