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I've recorded too, but I've to say that even in case of lateral impact the
G-force would have been too big for a human being: the car has literally
bounded back.

Stefano

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    Kevin>     I'm not trying to blast CART for what they've done in
    Kevin> the name of safety, but sometimes I wonder if there might
    Kevin> be some other approach that would work better.

I agree!

My biggest complaint about saftey in modern racing is, some of the
things they are doing are making the cars less safe.  Don't get me
wrong, crashes are a lot more "livable" now then in the past, but why
would you ever want to *reduce* downforce in the name of saftey???  I
mean really, what you end up with, is a car with a higher achevable
speed (on the straights) that dosen't stick to the road as well when
it's cornering.

If you want to slow the cars down, *and* create some great racing,
*increase* the downforce.  If your pushing a large wing you just can't
go as fast in a straight line, your less likely to lose it in a
corner, and hopefully at least a *little* bit more speed would be
dissapated if you crash.

Now here's the ironic part, I really don't think that Greg Moore's
accident can be blamed on a lack of safety equipment.  From what I
haven seen of him racing, he would take what ever car he was given as
far as it can go, and met with the unluckiest of fates.

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     <<Don't get me wrong, crashes are a lot more "livable" now then in
the past, but why would you ever want to *reduce* downforce in the name
of saftey???>>

     The problem lies in the fact that many of the guys making the rules
are racing enthusiasts and not former drivers who know how the cars
actually feel. Bernie Ecclestone & Max Mosely immediately come to mind.

     <<If you want to slow the cars down, *and* create some great
racing, *increase* the downforce.>>

     I thought CART had a plan to downsize the engines to 2.0L a few
years ago, but nothing ever really materialized.

     <<If your pushing a large wing you just can't go as fast in a
straight line, your less likely to lose it in a corner, and hopefully at
least a *little* bit more speed would be dissapated if you crash.>>

     Unfortunately, the results aren't as great as you may think. I read
an article in Racer Magazine about a year ago about this exact thing. If
they hit at 240mph, it's akin to hitting a wall head-on at 40mph. If
they hit at 220mph, it's akin to hitting a wall head-on at 38-39mph.
There wasn't much of a difference. Personally, I think the cars are too
fast to be at California and Michigan, anyway. Nothing short of making
them run with half the plugs out is going to slow them more than 220mph
for average lap speeds at these two tracks.
     Nick
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Both Bernie and Max were drivers not good ones but they were drivers.  They
went to owning teams,  Bernie owned Brabham and Max was with March for
years and now the are in Administrative roles.

The handford device creates drag and reduces downforce.  It keeps speeds
down in turns and when running alone that cars go slower down the striaghts
then they did with speedway wings.  The problem is it creates a very big
hole in the air behind the car and it really promotes drafting.  Actaully
its a pretty good solution since it creates drag and reduces downforce in
one fell swoop.  The problem is when running in a crowd it removes a lot of
front dowforce from the following cars.  At Michigan last year you had some
great racing 62 offical lead changes cars running very close.  You also had
some pretty good shunts one which cost some spectators their lives.

Dave