Here's the thing: just because you don't like chase view, why do you think
everyone else should be just like you?
Keith.
What ? Having a league where everyone drives the same way with the
same advantage / disadvantage is shit ? Your sense of fair play is
rather striking to say the least.
No one is saying that just because you use F10 you are automatically
going to be fast. Some people will never be fast. As in real life, you
could give all the advantages you like to some and they'll still be
slow or only medium fast at best.
The point is, that in any kind of competition, ***-band shooting,
fly squatting, or sim racing, there is an inherent fairness when
everyone is at the same baseline. There is also an inherent unfairness
when different people are on different baselines.
Your or mine or anyone's particular talents and abilities are
completely beside the point. If we were in a running race and some
were on foot and some were on roller skates it doesn't make it fair
just because the foot runners win anyway. That would just mean that
we're so bad at it we can't even win with an advantage. What makes it
fair is that everyone is at the same advantage / disadvantage state.
I suspect that those who argue in favour of "equal baseline" racing
simply have a certain idea about what's fair. I have never owned a
Playstation, but even if I did, are you suggesting that owning a
Playstation in an automatic indication of a person's inability to
access the fairness of a given situation ?
The term "whingeing" perhaps far better applies to those who react in
aghast and with insults at the mere suggestion that they ought to
compete with others in an equal way. That certainly sounds more like
whingeing to me.
In any respect ... hope you manage to get some more wins under the
belt.
Best Regards
Phillip McNelley
I'd like to see these regardless of how they were done. Send to me if
you care to.
Why not put them up but make them as F10 hotlaps. You'd be doing the
GPL community a service by showing everyone just how big an advantage
this can be to some drivers.
Regards
Phillip McNelley
Noone is suggesting that everyone ought to like the same things. All
that's being suggested is that it would be good if we had a way of
competing on stricly equal tearms.
Have F10 races if that's what you like. Have***pit racers if that's
what you like. But if you're in a competition with others where the
majority feels, or even if just the host feels, everone ought to be
driving the same way, whichever way that is, then it would be good if
GPL provided for this.
Regards
Phillip McNelley
No. Maybe one or two use the F10 view when hotlapping but others use
the In-car view. I've always used In-car and always will. My best
hotlap at Monza is 1:26.99 and I did a 1:27.03 in online practise.
Advice: Keep practising. :)
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Greger Huttu
>Yeah....I did a 1:24:8 at Monza and a 6:58:xx at the Ring with chase
>view. On the Glen you really have the advantage of the chase view,
>I did a 59:99 there! But I feel so ashamed about using the chase view,
>that I wouldn't dare to send in these hotlaps.....
><sigh>
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Greger Huttu
Where as in reality that person should be looking at his own
performance with the given tools and not looking elsewhere.
The main reason some people are faster than others in GPL is plain and
simple, they are better drivers, either through natural ability or
hours and hours of practise. Fast drivers are fast drivers which ever
view they use.
I have only been racing on line for around a week, but I am amazed at
how few people can actually finish a race without spinning or crashing.
More time should be spent on developing driving skills than worrying
and complaining about who uses what view and laying the blame elsewhere
when they get beaten.
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>>They are awesome drivers.. but they also use F10.. once you get to a
>>certain stage you can't go any faster.. I'm there now.. and even so..
I
>>am still about 1 second slower than the top guys at Monza (I do 27.8's
PB..
>>WR are high 26s?? ) I couldn't work it out...
>No. Maybe one or two use the F10 view when hotlapping but others use
>the In-car view. I've always used In-car and always will. My best
>hotlap at Monza is 1:26.99 and I did a 1:27.03 in online practise.
>Advice: Keep practising. :)
I agree, I was shocked at first when I learned some of the fastest guys used
F10 view. "This ain't no friggin' arcade game!" I thought. But, then I
learned that they started using F10 view for frame rate issues only, and got
used to it.
I really don't think F10 gives you any advantage in speed. "You can see
farther up the road" you say? Sure, but to be a fast GPL driver you already
know the tracks like the palm of your hand anyway. Some say the can "feel"
the car better when using F10 view? This is a matter of taste and
perception. I tried F10 and couldn't feel the car at all.
F10 drivers can see the surrounding of their car but don't have working
mirrors. A trade off.
Let everybody use whatever they like, and, as Greger put it, keep practicing
:)
Hena
Oh, my PB at Monza is 1:27.23 using incar view ...
Hans
>I'd like to see these regardless of how they were done. Send to me if
>you care to.
>Why not put them up but make them as F10 hotlaps. You'd be doing the
>GPL community a service by showing everyone just how big an advantage
>this can be to some drivers.
What I wanted to know from the people who claim chaseview has an
advantage, is the amount of time you'll gain with it....seems that
they believe my times are possible with chaseview......hmmmm, maybe
I'll make the switch.......<g>
Remco
> Hans
>Hena
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Mark
London UK
Yamaha TRX850
Yes, you are fast :) Just not as fast as some others
Completely incorect! I drive in-car all the time, and can still kick
greger and wolfi's arse (sometimes :o)
James, I heard that you asked one of the guys at the Brisbane Lan
recently weather I was using F10? Where u suprised when they said I
wasn't, yet I was still doing fast times?
It must***you off even more to find out that 2 of the top 3 drivers
in the world use in-car view then? ;)
Ian Lake
