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So why the F10 view..  sure..  it can be good when you are learning tracks
or what ever..   but we don't really need it..

I think we need to get rid of it for the next patch (when ever it's release
date is)...

Why??   Because if you want to go fast..  you need to use it..  :-(     If
you want realism..  you won't go fast....

This sucks..   if we take it out..  then EVERYONE is definately on a level
ground..

I would like to think I can compete against everyone with the most realistic
simulation available using realistic settings..  If I wanted to go fast.. I
would use F10.. but it just feels wrong.. so consequently I can't....  :-(

I'm not saying it is cheating..  but I think most ppl would say we don't
really need it..  and without it..  we would be better off ...

James Pickard,
Melbourne,
AUSTRALIA
Grand Prix Legends Australian Champion Season 1
(jsut so you know where I"m coming from...    :-)

It is purely a matter of choice and should be in the game to give those
drivers that don't like the narrow and limited track view a choice of
driving with another view.

Some people do not have powerful systems and have to use the F10 view
for the substantial frame rate boost.

That in itself is contradictory

I think you will find this is a minority opinion, we shall see with
later posts

That is just tripe, most accomplished drivers can go fast in either
view, only the drivers who lose on a regular basis look to lay the
blame outside their driving skill, and then accuse everyone of using
the F10 view.

     If

Speak for yourself.

Whose level ground ? Should we also take out the option to use
joysticks, different car setups, any machine that cannot run at a
constant 36 fps, anyone with a ping lower than yourself....

can't....  :-(

Then practice more with whatever view you feel more comfortable.

How could it possible be ? It's in the game !

but I think most ppl would say we don't

Well that remains to be seen

And for the record I use both views in training and on line, and most
of my PB's were set in the***pit view.

No disrespect to you James, only my opinion on yours :)

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Alex

After playing GPL ever since it came out.. and even the demo...  I would
consider myself to be quite fast...

But.. I have never been able to match the times of the best drivers..   no
matter what I did..  using there setups..  everything.. I couldn't even get
within a second..   then I found out what the difference was..

They are awesome drivers..   but they also use F10..   once you get to a
certain stage you can't go any faster..   I'm there now..   and even so.. I
am still about 1 second slower than the top guys at Monza (I do 27.8's PB..
WR are high 26s?? )    I couldn't work it out...

Basically ..  what I'm saying is that it would make the game even more
realistic (is that possible?  :-)  if we got rid of it..   for ppl like me,
who just don't like F10 view..  and are a bit sick of not being on a level
playing field (self imposed I admit) would make the sim more enjoyable

I guess I'm just wingeing because after 6 months of trying to match the top
times.. I fianlly found out what the difference was..  and now it just makes
online racing a bit.. well..  annoying   :-)

James
(my 2 cents.. or should that be 5 bucks??  :-)

It isn't easier. Track knowledge is everything in GPL.You need to know AND
use every inch of the track surface to go fast in GPL. Once you know the
track really well the in-car view is in fact much easier to drive because
you get more feedback about your car setup. And wheelspin can be easily
recognised by the sound when turning the volume up. IMHO  F10 gives only an
advantage to those that don't know every inch of the track. One could argue
that driving in-car is cheating compared to those that don't have the
machine to run 36 fps in-car or don't have time to practice for hours on a
given track. I've told this before in GSB chat, but I drive strictly
in-car -not because I think I'm faster but because I think it's much more
fun. I don't care about a few 10ths, I want to have fun in exciting races,
and I want to feel the sensation of speed. To fully enjoy this aspect of
GPL - driving the***pit view is a must. The arcade view however, is a
perfectly valid option that should be included in GPL and in every future
sim.

i think with that 3D moving***pit, actually you loose a bit of 'feeling'
... is there any way to get a fixed onboard view ?

something like

FastenSeatBelts=1 .... :)

McKafre De La Rosa

Pickard escribi en mensaje ...

Ben

: It isn't easier. Track knowledge is everything in GPL.You need to know AND
: use every inch of the track surface to go fast in GPL. Once you know the
: track really well the in-car view is in fact much easier to drive because
: you get more feedback about your car setup. And wheelspin can be easily
: recognised by the sound when turning the volume up. IMHO  F10 gives only an
: advantage to those that don't know every inch of the track.

  The F10 view gives more information.  You can see the front and back
of the car and (IIRC) all the speeds.  Surely, in theory this gives you
more information.  

  I drive with the in-car view.

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Andy

Wow, you didn't site one real reason why they should remove it other than
because *you* don't feel competitive against someone that uses it.  For
many of us, it makes the *game* driveable and if it weren't for the
existance of "arcade" mode, many more would probably have abandoned the
*game* as unplayable.

As for being competitive, that's a relative term.  If you're only
interested in turning the world's fastest time in the *game*.  If that's
your idea of fun, so be it, but IMHO, one-lap wonders ain't shit.  I siad
it when SVGA was around, and I stick by that claim - one lap doesn't win
a race.  If you can keep the car on the gray part and manage not to hit
anything or anyone, you're doing good.  If you're fast too, even better.

I use "chase" mode when driving in GPL, and it certainly doesn't make me
the fastest (ask anyone in IGPS about that), but it does allow me to keep
up.  It's a crutch, sure, but I don't really give a flyin' f*ck what
anyone else thinks about it because it doesn't keep them from using the
in-car view if they so choose.

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This strive for authenticism is to me more important than being fast, let alone
being the fastest in the world. I try to go as fast as I can, yes, but my
feelings are more into the atmosphere, or role-playing, if you get my meaning.

If the fastest drivers in the world use F10, just let them. They're into this
game with quite different goals than you and me.

Hotlapping is pointless from any kind of viewpoint in racing. Let them go on
with their business.

It has become well known that F10 is a faster way of racing, and if a person
pursues his goal of becoming the fastest driver in the world to the extent that
authenticity is set aside, then he has a problem.

I strive for authenticity to the extent that I try to be fast with a driving
technique as close as possible to the thing they used back in -67. Neutral car,
driving in-line as much as possible, even during entry and exit of a turns...

Driving with your GPL car sideways in every turn is a bit vulgar, in my
extremely humble opinion (IMEHO)...

;-)

It's a pity that driving with style never can be a part of the game...

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