rec.autos.simulators

I think with the next patch, the roll bar view should be incorporated into
the available
 driving view selections so you have simulation view / aracade view / and
the
"intermediate" roll bar view.

As for what is more "true to life", well who is to say...does the in car
view
provide the level of feedback and spatial perception you get from a real
automobile
around you... perhaps the chase view provides the appropriate compensation
for the things
we miss out on.

steve c

Cheers,

Steve B.

To each his own is fair enough when they're on their own. But in a
comp. one would like to feel everyone's at the same advantage /
disadvantage. I can understand completely that some would like to know
they are racing others in an equal way. I can't see any problem with
this concept at all.

All GPL had to do was have an idicator that lets everyone know how the
driver  was /  is driving. It would be simple to have a league rule
that says everyone should be F10 or in the***pit. But unless GPL has
an indicator it may be a token rule. Or better yet - have it as a
server option, like all the other server options, that drivers are
forced to use the driving situation a league requires.

Like lots of others have said here, F10 does give quite an advantge in
some ways. It simple would have been nice if GPL was written to, or
could be made to, let us all compare apples with apples.

Phillip McNelley

<sigh>

Remco

That's a crock of shit.  In two seasons of IGPS (29 races total), I won
four events, and only because I happened to be in the right place at the
right time.  EVERY other winner in those seasons was using the in-car
view.  I suspect that out of 50 drivers, only two or three of us used the
chase view, but I would have to poll everybody that raced to make sure.

As far as non-league racing, I almost NEVER win.  So how is my driving
any better or worse than someone using in-car mode?

You people that complain about this are nothing but whiners and
crybabies.  Go back to your Playstations...

--
Ian Parker

UKGPL League
http://www.racesimcentral.net/~ukgpl/index.html

: AMEN! Everytime I hear someone say they don't feel the sense of speed
: in GPL, I know they must be running in arcade view. Even in real life
: there isn't a sense of speed driving RC cars, why would a sim be any
: different?

I'm new to GPL, and I have to admit the speed *scares* me at times.  There
is definitely a sense of speed.  A quick look left or right on the
straightaways will double the e***ment.

Stephen
(and I also find the***pit view *easier* to drive from, but I'm not fast
anyway)

Well I need it for the start of the race to cover for the blind spots
in gpl. At the start I never really have any time to look sideways,
even if I did, I still wouldn't be able to see the incoming car as it
would be sort of half-way behind me.
I have done a lot of laps with the f10 view to find out if I was any
faster but it turns out I tend to "throw" the car too much into high
speed turns, therefore, I am actually slower with the F10 view as I
feel you get less visual feedback from the car.
Some races I do half of the first lap with the F10 view, specially
on-line. I wouldn't see a need to get rid of it in a upcoming patch
since you can simply choose not to use. I think that in fact they
should introduce more views in gpl rather than remove one of two
current possible views.
I would rather have too many views, than too few.

Cheers me deers

I always drive with the in-car view but I find that F10 is sometimes very
useful in the corners if you're unsure
whether there is someone in your blind spot. The "look left-right" feature
won't cover all of your blind spot.
As I'm now much more comfortable with online racing and keeping track of car
positions in the heat of battle,
I hardly use it at all now. Unless I'm sure I just assume that someone is
there rather than use F10 all the time.

I wouldn't mind not using F10 at all as long as everyone else was in the
same boat (or car).

For once I completely agree with you. :)

Chris, you're starting to scare me dude. :-)

I find it hard to believe that the F-10 view would be used by the really
fast GPL drivers, mostly because I don't think it would give any true
advantage to the really fast drivers, maybe it helps some people to get
a handle on GPL, but the really fast drivers would be hindered by not
having the in-car feel.

Curious if any really really fast GPL drivers would actually resort to
F-10 view.

Personally, GPL is not only about being fast, but about "experiencing"
a simulation of what driving a '67 F1 race car would be like, I would never
even consider driving from F-10 view, no matter how many tenths it would gain
me, because it would ruin my suspension of disbelief, if I wanted to
drive from unrealistic viewpoints I would be driving console arcade racers
not GPL.

Seeyas on the track.

--John (Joao) Silva

Randy?  Anyone?

 - George