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by **evente..** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

Anyone catch the latest quotes from GP3's senior producer?

From Sim Racing News:
* Grand Prix 3's physics engine is based on 12 years of work by Geoff
Crammond, and that Grand Prix 3 is the final product of that work.

<Yeah, OK, but what are the actual improvements over GP2?>

* In later games it will be possible to start as a test driver and work
your way up through the rankings.

<Fine, cool - but does he mean GP4+?>

* Induvidial driver style will not be included in Grand Prix 3 as it
may annoy people.

<WTF?! This isn't a damn arcade game - sounds like an excuse to me>

* There are no radio messages currently added to Grand Prix 3, but they
are not ruled out of the final version. If they were included, they
would not be very often as that is how realistic it is in real life.

<Well, hell - GP2 already had the radio messages in the sound files,
and they *still* don't have them implemented?>

* No pit animation because the driver would just change to the camera
view and not concentrate on the actual driving.

I really don't like to complain, but it sounds like Geoff is doing the
bare minimum to get GP3 out. If it's just GP2 with improved physics
and 3D graphics, I'll still definitely buy it, but they've left the
door wide open for another company to take the F1 crown.

EA F1-2001? MGPRS3 (anyone seen this yet)?
Kendt

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by No » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

If EA keeps putting out F1 versions like they do with their NHL, FIFA
and other sports series I think they will definatley take the crown.
You just have to realize that you will have to buy a new version every
year to get the fixes instead of expecting any major patches.
--
Nos

by LL » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

Doesn't work with regular videoboards drivers.....

Doesn't work with force feedback.

NO support (they just don't answer the mails regarding these issues....)

What kind of company is this ? Oh yes, EA

by **David Can** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

I don't think he means the people like us, the players. I think he means the
actual real life dirvers. There's gotta be all sorts of legal problems with
putting what is effectively a driver's personality into the game. Afterall,
if a driver is programmed to block excessively and do other things that are
considered 'controversial' in real life, that real life driver may get
pissed off and be sending "deformation of Character" lawsuits towards
Hasbro.

It's a shame though

David C

by **Jo Hels** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

On Tue, 16 May 2000 09:15:44 +0100, "David Cane"

>> * Induvidial driver style will not be included in Grand Prix 3 as it
>> may annoy people.

>I don't think he means the people like us, the players. I think he means the
>actual real life dirvers. There's gotta be all sorts of legal problems with
>putting what is effectively a driver's personality into the game. Afterall,
>if a driver is programmed to block excessively and do other things that are
>considered 'controversial' in real life, that real life driver may get
>pissed off and be sending "deformation of Character" lawsuits towards
>Hasbro.

Do you really think?

I guess it's just that different people can have very different ideas
about this or that driver. Just visit one of the F1 groups and you'll
probably find a huge percentage of threads discussing the merits and
"personalities" of certain drivers.

So it's not such a far shot that it could upset people...

JoH

by LL » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

Well, then Surtees should sue PAPYRUS for his GPL character !!!!

by **Simon Brow** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

Yeah, but how many goes have they had a doing a decent football game and yet
they've still utterly failed. I would rather play Kick Off 2 than FIFA
2000.

by **Vintoo** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

You obviously have not played FIFA 2000. This is the best soccer game out
there hands down and Madden 2000 was also the best Football game on the
market. Just to get back on topic though, EA sports' first foray into f1
racing wasn't all that bad. I would never buy it since I already have the
best f1 sim on the planet (GPL) but with the frequency EA puts out products
they will easily take over the modern f1 crown. It looks like GP3 is cutting
allot of corners and leaving out allot of stuff just to get the product out.
This leads me to believe the system requirements to make it run will be so
steep that f12000 will look a little better.

Vintook

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

(snip)
but they've left the
door wide open for another company to take the F1 crown.
(unsnip)

I seem to have seen this type of comment here before now. Several times
over the past 8 years, in fact!! :-)
--
Regards,
Bruce Kennewell,
Canberra, Australia.
---------------------------

> Anyone catch the latest quotes from GP3's senior producer?

> From Sim Racing News:
> * Grand Prix 3's physics engine is based on 12 years of work by Geoff
> Crammond, and that Grand Prix 3 is the final product of that work.

> <Yeah, OK, but what are the actual improvements over GP2?>

> * In later games it will be possible to start as a test driver and work
> your way up through the rankings.

> <Fine, cool - but does he mean GP4+?>

> * Induvidial driver style will not be included in Grand Prix 3 as it
> may annoy people.

> <WTF?! This isn't a damn arcade game - sounds like an excuse to me>

> * There are no radio messages currently added to Grand Prix 3, but they
> are not ruled out of the final version. If they were included, they
> would not be very often as that is how realistic it is in real life.

> <Well, hell - GP2 already had the radio messages in the sound files,
> and they *still* don't have them implemented?>

> * No pit animation because the driver would just change to the camera
> view and not concentrate on the actual driving.

> <sounds like another excuse to leave out an enhancement>

> I really don't like to complain, but it sounds like Geoff is doing the
> bare minimum to get GP3 out. If it's just GP2 with improved physics
> and 3D graphics, I'll still definitely buy it, but they've left the
> door wide open for another company to take the F1 crown.

> EA F1-2001? MGPRS3 (anyone seen this yet)?
> Kendt

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by **evente..** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

[snip]

I see the point - but I worry that there's still a core limitation in
the GP3 engine that will prevent even a 3rd party from programming
driver profiles. Not to beat a dead horse, but I think GPL really does
it right with all the settable driver variables.

Kendt

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by **David Can** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

yeah, I do actually reckon the drivers are the people that would be annoyed.
I can't see any reason why the players would be annoyed with it, afterall if
that was a concern you'd just put an option in a menu to switch off the
individual driving styles.
It would enhance the simulation no-end, so that's gotta be the reason.
Remember, it was promised as a feature for GP2, but the reasons for it's
absence was never given......

David C

> On Tue, 16 May 2000 09:15:44 +0100, "David Cane"

> >> * Induvidial driver style will not be included in Grand Prix 3 as it
> >> may annoy people.

> >I don't think he means the people like us, the players. I think he means
the
> >actual real life dirvers. There's gotta be all sorts of legal problems
with
> >putting what is effectively a driver's personality into the game.
Afterall,
> >if a driver is programmed to block excessively and do other things that
are
> >considered 'controversial' in real life, that real life driver may get
> >pissed off and be sending "deformation of Character" lawsuits towards
> >Hasbro.

> Do you really think?

> I guess it's just that different people can have very different ideas
> about this or that driver. Just visit one of the F1 groups and you'll
> probably find a huge percentage of threads discussing the merits and
> "personalities" of certain drivers.

> So it's not such a far shot that it could upset people...

> JoH

by **Borut Srebotni** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

I didn't hear anything about Surtees getting rich on behalf of Papy's
presentation of his caracter in GPL;-) I mean, seriously, Schumacher taking
legal actions against Hasbro for killing him over and over again at
Silverstone in GP3! C'mon!!!! Not even in U.S.!

Borut

by **Borut Srebotni** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

Uhhh, i just contributed to this thread and then i discover that somebody
already brought the Surtees out :-( Shit!

Borut

> Well, then Surtees should sue PAPYRUS for his GPL character !!!!

> > > * Induvidial driver style will not be included in Grand Prix 3 as it
> > > may annoy people.

> > I don't think he means the people like us, the players. I think he means
> the
> > actual real life dirvers. There's gotta be all sorts of legal problems
> with
> > putting what is effectively a driver's personality into the game.
> Afterall,
> > if a driver is programmed to block excessively and do other things that
> are
> > considered 'controversial' in real life, that real life driver may get
> > pissed off and be sending "deformation of Character" lawsuits towards
> > Hasbro.

> > It's a shame though

> > David C

by **evente..** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

:) - Yeah, as it stands GP3 will still be the best modern F1 sim when it
comes out, I'd say. It just could have been head-and-shoulders above
anything else now and in the near future.

All this speculation is pretty pointless until GP3 is released anyway,
so I'll shut up now ;).

Kendt

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by **David Can** » Wed, 17 May 2000 04:00:00

yeah, but in the days when anyone will sue for any pathetic reason, a modern
day celebrity (which F1 drivers are) will care about their image, or at
least their people, or their people's people will.

I think it's just a legal safeguard.

David C

> I didn't hear anything about Surtees getting rich on behalf of Papy's
> presentation of his caracter in GPL;-) I mean, seriously, Schumacher
taking
> legal actions against Hasbro for killing him over and over again at
> Silverstone in GP3! C'mon!!!! Not even in U.S.!

> Borut

> > > * Induvidial driver style will not be included in Grand Prix 3 as it
> > > may annoy people.

> > I don't think he means the people like us, the players. I think he means
> the
> > actual real life dirvers. There's gotta be all sorts of legal problems
> with
> > putting what is effectively a driver's personality into the game.
> Afterall,
> > if a driver is programmed to block excessively and do other things that
> are
> > considered 'controversial' in real life, that real life driver may get
> > pissed off and be sending "deformation of Character" lawsuits towards
> > Hasbro.

> > It's a shame though

> > David C

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