rec.autos.simulators

by **Gerry Aitke** » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:46:25

> On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:34:36 +0100, Gerry Aitken

> >> You can of course do what you want, but I haven't actually seen
> >> something that warrants such a blanket statement.

> >> On the other hand it's with my setup, which seems pretty well off
> >> driver-wise, ATM, nor do I play every game on the planet. Those with
> >> other hardware with poorer drivers might of course have more
> >> difficulty than me.

> >Which is a very good reason for many people to wait a 'while' before
> >upgrading.

> No shit sherlock, but _as I said_, the _OS_ is in tiptop shape. As are
> nvidia drivers. Even the SBLive ones seems to work fine now.

> You think the combo nvidia and sblive is uncommon?

Do you think everyone has that combo?

by **Gerry Aitke** » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:48:43

> Gerry
> As you can see from almost any report, XP has been the most stable OS that
> MS has come up yet. The almost toal lack of BSOD has been one of the most
> widely praised aspects. It has been stable since RC1, and in the 2 months
> I've been using various versions, I've not had one single crash.
> Iain

I'll build a new pc over xmas and it WILL have XP as the OS.

Gerry

by **Gerry Aitke** » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 15:58:01

> If you don't like it, then what are your reasons? What is your experience
> with XP? How did it affect you? I suspect that the answer is that you
> haven't got any experience of it at all, so now who's talking through their
> a***? Apologies if I'm wrong, but please share you experiences with us.

Tried it for a week, wasn't any faster, had some driver problems, went
back to 98. It's new, so like i often do with new os, I'll wait...if
that's ok with you?

Have a re-read of your posts in this thread, I think you'll notice your
abrupt, rude style has coloured many of the relies you have received.

Gerry

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 16:33:29

Don't think so, but different people, different interpretations. No
rudeness intended - unlike yourself.
Iain

> > If you don't like it, then what are your reasons? What is your
experience
> > with XP? How did it affect you? I suspect that the answer is that you
> > haven't got any experience of it at all, so now who's talking through
their
> > a***? Apologies if I'm wrong, but please share you experiences with us.

> Tried it for a week, wasn't any faster, had some driver problems, went
> back to 98. It's new, so like i often do with new os, I'll wait...if
> that's ok with you?

> > Try to get your facts right, and please stop the childish and
unnecessary
> > insults. It doesn't do this group's reputation any favours.

> Have a re-read of your posts in this thread, I think you'll notice your
> abrupt, rude style has coloured many of the relies you have received.

> Gerry

by **Gerry Aitke** » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:15:56

> Don't think so, but different people, different interpretations. No
> rudeness intended - unlike yourself.
> Iain

I only said you were 'talking out of your arse' hardly makes me the
rudest person on r.a.s.

Gerry

by **Vintoo** » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 20:33:10

I thought you were gonna wait 12 months?????? Or do you mean Xmas of
2002??????

Vintook

> > Gerry
> > As you can see from almost any report, XP has been the most stable OS
that
> > MS has come up yet. The almost toal lack of BSOD has been one of the
most
> > widely praised aspects. It has been stable since RC1, and in the 2
months
> > I've been using various versions, I've not had one single crash.
> > Iain

> I'll build a new pc over xmas and it WILL have XP as the OS.

> Gerry

by **Gerry Aitke** » Thu, 25 Oct 2001 22:38:26

> I thought you were gonna wait 12 months??????

I don't remember typing that...or even thinking it.

No. Can you quote the post where I said I was going to wait 12 months?

Gerry

by **Iain Mackenzi** » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 01:32:38

Didn't say you were, but comments like that are hardly conducive with a
rational discussion.

Iain

> > Don't think so, but different people, different interpretations. No
> > rudeness intended - unlike yourself.
> > Iain

> I only said you were 'talking out of your arse' hardly makes me the
> rudest person on r.a.s.

> Gerry

by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 02:52:14

Rational? Damn that leaves me out...seeya!
dave henrie

> Didn't say you were, but comments like that are hardly conducive with a
> rational discussion.

> Iain

> > > Don't think so, but different people, different interpretations. No
> > > rudeness intended - unlike yourself.
> > > Iain

> > I only said you were 'talking out of your arse' hardly makes me the
> > rudest person on r.a.s.

> > Gerry

by **na_bike** » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 06:07:12

On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:46:25 +0100, Gerry Aitken

>> No shit sherlock, but _as I said_, the _OS_ is in tiptop shape. As are
>> nvidia drivers. Even the SBLive ones seems to work fine now.

>> You think the combo nvidia and sblive is uncommon?

>Do you think everyone has that combo?

You're an idiot, aren't you?

by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 06:17:16

Nividia products(and I'm not saying this to cause more mayhem) combined
with SB Lives AND motherboards designed for AMD Athlon chips have had issues
almost from the day the 3 products all reached the retail channels. This is
not to say everyone with the above combo will or did have problems, But
those users with AMD, Via 133 motherboard chipset,
SB Lives, and Nvidia have had a demonstratable and repeatable series of
problems.
Nvidia is clearly the oem and now retail sales leader for video
Soundblaster's Live series is probably their most sucessful sales product
ever.
Via133 based motherboards are as common as any mb product released in the
last two years.
yet....
These 3 leaders of their classes have not, to my knowledge, found a
working, reasonable, method to rectify the problems.
Add in Win98 and it's use of APCI during bootup and you introduce even
more problems.
So while his retort about nvidia and SBlives appeared snotty and
childlike, it did refer to a known problem.
dave henrie

by **na_bike** » Fri, 26 Oct 2001 18:23:17

I sincerely think that _his_ comment didn't refer to no such thing.

I know about the via southbridge(part of VIA KT133 chipset) and SBLive
incompatibility issues, which are pretty scary. The lesser effects
being "scraping & screeching" sound and the worse harddisk read/write
corruption(!!!). Some people have reproduced it with Intel 820(or was
it chipsets also, and the unofficial consensus is that it is the
SBLive to blame due to not complying to the PCI 2.1 specification.

However, I haven't heard about the nvidia connection, sources?

In all fairness, as you stated your position further down in the
thread, I'd like to clarify my position on this debate that went all
out of hand all too early. I know I came off like a overzealous XP
advocate, but I just wanted to clarify some things, like; 1) WinXP
isn't slower[in games] per se, it has every opportunity to be as fast
as 9x, given good solid drivers, as shown. Which surprised me
actually, because it certainly didn't look like that would ever be the
case a year ago with 2000. 2) A lot of stuff works in XP that didn't
in 2000. 3) If you're absolutely dying to get away from the piece of
donkey dung that is win9x, like me, this is _it_. Totally hassle-free?
Probably not.

There's a lot I don't particularily like about it, like the price and
the big-brother registration scheme that's going to cause a WORLD of
problems. But if I'm going to be held hostage to windows, I'd much
rather have it comfy with a decent subsystem. If I'm going to have to
suffer through another 6 years of DOS-infested win9x forcefeeding,
you'd best just shoot me right now. :)

by **JJ Srickli** » Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:18:58

98 ?..............oh ya, I remember thats that OS I used 2 years ago is it
still supported?........... I didn't think
anyone was lame enough to still be using that POS..............LOL

by **Thom j** » Tue, 30 Oct 2001 07:27:19

is this suppose to impress everyone?

| 98 ?..............oh ya, I remember thats that OS I used 2 years ago is it
| still supported?........... I didn't think
| anyone was lame enough to still be using that POS..............LOL

by **Gerry Aitke** » Wed, 31 Oct 2001 01:59:31

> On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:46:25 +0100, Gerry Aitken

> >> No shit sherlock, but _as I said_, the _OS_ is in tiptop shape. As are
> >> nvidia drivers. Even the SBLive ones seems to work fine now.

> >> You think the combo nvidia and sblive is uncommon?

> >Do you think everyone has that combo?

> You're an idiot, aren't you?

Listen, na, i'm going to give myself a rest from playing with drivers
until i build my next pc. Hopefully by then all the xp drivers i need,
and i'm not just talking about SB and nvidia ones, will be nice and
solid. EVEN then I'll build a duel boot XP/98 box just in case!

I'm in no hurry to take this pc, and with the limited time i get to use
it for ***, start***ing around with xp drivers.

I'll take a guess that you're ok with xp as long as nvidia and SB are
well supported, but you need to realize that some of us have more facets
to our pc needs than just ***.

Regards

Gerry

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