rec.autos.simulators

>You know, this is getting ridiculous. It's either feast or famine with the
>sim group. This game is definitely not a POS. It's really not that bad at
>all. Nascar Revolution was a POS, Nascar Road Racing was a POS. Andretti
>Racing was a POS. Cart Unprecision Racing was a POS.

>You've got to be kidding...

>Loose?

>Out of the box it heads for the wall with such a horrific push you have to
>brake at every corner.  Hard.  That's not even close to the way it's
>supposed to be.

>-Larry

>> Well, I put a setup in the game from Lowe's in N2k2 and it had the same
>> feel. I had to adjust the car since it was a little more loose than in
>N2k2
>> but it had basically the same feel. Now that I have adjusted the car a
>> little bit, the lap times are comparable and the car feels very similar.
>If

> >You know, this is getting ridiculous. It's either feast or famine with
the
> >sim group. This game is definitely not a POS. It's really not that bad at
> >all. Nascar Revolution was a POS, Nascar Road Racing was a POS. Andretti
> >Racing was a POS. Cart Unprecision Racing was a POS.

> I've seen posts from people who like both CART Precision Racing and
Andretti
> Racing.  So, they could say the same about YOUR post...

> Eldred
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> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
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> Sir, it's not "feast or famine" with this group.  What you have is a bunch
> of tight-belted GPLers who think that if it's not GPL (or Papyrus made)
then
> the thing's garbage.

> I quit listening to these guys long ago.  Their myopic vision makes
> everything they say invalid and downright absurd.

> Granted, NT2003 may not be that good (I couldn't say, I haven't tried it
> yet.)  But it's not as bad as some would lead you to believe.

> Alanb

> > You know, this is getting ridiculous. It's either feast or famine with
the
> > sim group. This game is definitely not a POS. It's really not that bad
at
> > all. Nascar Revolution was a POS, Nascar Road Racing was a POS. Andretti
> > Racing was a POS. Cart Unprecision Racing was a POS. Is it better than
> N2k?
> > No. Is it almost as good? I think it has come a long way and has some
more
> > to go. But it is definitely not a POS. At least you can run a race
against
> > the AI and not get taken out under yellow by the AI or the renegade pace
> > car. Is it the best sim ever? No. Is it a decent to good sim that is not
> > perfect and could be made better? Yes. Is it a POS? Absolutely not.

> > > 1st. Open the Box.
> > > 2nd. Re-insert the CD
> > > 3rd. Take this POS back to the store........

> On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 01:00:18 -0400, "ymenard"

> >Of course except the little drafting
> >misaccuracies

> Is this referring to N2002?  If so, what's wrong with the drafting
> model?

> Jason

> > On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 01:00:18 -0400, "ymenard"

> > >Of course except the little drafting
> > >misaccuracies

> > Is this referring to N2002?  If so, what's wrong with the drafting
> > model?

> > Jason

>     From my perspective, the draft cone is too wide, leading to
> the 'wind tunnel' effect if you are the middle car in between
> two draft trains-you get shot forward at ungodly (relative) speeds.
> In a real Nascar race note that cars in such a predicament tend
> to get shuffled to the BACK, not sucked along towards the
> front.
>     There is also a 'turbulence barrier' if a group of cars is two
> seconds ahead of you and your pack. Trying to break through
> this barrier is almost impossible, if the guys ahead don't keep
> jockeying for position and everyone's cars are about even
> performance-wise.

>     John DiFool

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> you have to be kidding..

> total POS..

> > You know, this is getting ridiculous. It's either feast or famine with
the
> > sim group. This game is definitely not a POS. It's really not that bad
at
> > all. Nascar Revolution was a POS, Nascar Road Racing was a POS. Andretti
> > Racing was a POS. Cart Unprecision Racing was a POS. Is it better than
> N2k?
> > No. Is it almost as good? I think it has come a long way and has some
more
> > to go. But it is definitely not a POS. At least you can run a race
against
> > the AI and not get taken out under yellow by the AI or the renegade pace
> > car. Is it the best sim ever? No. Is it a decent to good sim that is not
> > perfect and could be made better? Yes. Is it a POS? Absolutely not.

> > > 1st. Open the Box.
> > > 2nd. Re-insert the CD
> > > 3rd. Take this POS back to the store........

> You've got to be kidding...

> Loose?

> Out of the box it heads for the wall with such a horrific push you have to
> brake at every corner.  Hard.  That's not even close to the way it's
> supposed to be.

> -Larry

> > Well, I put a setup in the game from Lowe's in N2k2 and it had the same
> > feel. I had to adjust the car since it was a little more loose than in
> N2k2
> > but it had basically the same feel. Now that I have adjusted the car a
> > little bit, the lap times are comparable and the car feels very similar.
> If
> > anything, the car seems like it has a tighter ride to it and you arent
on
> > ice like it seems you are in N2k2. While I agree that the game is not as
> > good as N2k2, I seriously disagree that the game is a pos. It has many
> flaws
> > with the tracks' design and it does not feel quite as realistic. But, if
> you
> > load the graphics patches and do the tweaks available at
> > www.hcmotorsports.com , the game is fun and challenging to play and is
> > definitely the best sim that EA has ever released for the NASCAR crowd
...

> > > However, the difference between any of these sims and a Papyrus
> > > simulation is huge.  No company has dedicated as much time and care in
> > > perfecting the art of simulating motorsport as Papyrus has, and it
> > > shows in their product.  That's not a subjective statement, it's pure
> > > and simple fact.  They create simulations with uncompromising realism,
> > > which can not be said about any other company.

> > I agree completely with what you are saying about Papyrus.

> >     From my perspective, the draft cone is too wide, leading to
> > the 'wind tunnel' effect if you are the middle car in between
> > two draft trains-you get shot forward at ungodly (relative) speeds.
> > In a real Nascar race note that cars in such a predicament tend
> > to get shuffled to the BACK, not sucked along towards the
> > front.
> >     There is also a 'turbulence barrier' if a group of cars is two
> > seconds ahead of you and your pack. Trying to break through
> > this barrier is almost impossible, if the guys ahead don't keep
> > jockeying for position and everyone's cars are about even
> > performance-wise.

> That summarises it pretty well indeed John.  I couldn't have said it
better.
> It's still not a major problem compared to anything that NT2002 has in
it's
> faults

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> It certainly seems that way. Most of the opinions I've read elsewhere on
> other forums don't match up very well with what I've read from the GPL/Papy
> faithful here.

> >Argh.  What about the track editor they once promised, did they include
> >that?  How about the 9 road courses they advertised?

> =(

> I hate Ed Martin.

> Jason

> Here is a crazy idea.. and truth... I can name several "out of the box"
> N2002 setups that push like a dump truck.  Why not just go play the game a
> little before typing next time.  Or, (GASP) use the Easy Tweak Setup.
Heck,
> I converted a Thunder Setup back into N2002 with a lot of success tonight
> and used their Easy Tweak Setup to do it.

> > You've got to be kidding...

> > Loose?

> > Out of the box it heads for the wall with such a horrific push you have
to
> > brake at every corner.  Hard.  That's not even close to the way it's
> > supposed to be.

> > -Larry

> > > Well, I put a setup in the game from Lowe's in N2k2 and it had the
same
> > > feel. I had to adjust the car since it was a little more loose than in
> > N2k2
> > > but it had basically the same feel. Now that I have adjusted the car a
> > > little bit, the lap times are comparable and the car feels very
similar.
> > If
> > > anything, the car seems like it has a tighter ride to it and you arent
> on
> > > ice like it seems you are in N2k2. While I agree that the game is not
as
> > > good as N2k2, I seriously disagree that the game is a pos. It has many
> > flaws
> > > with the tracks' design and it does not feel quite as realistic. But,
if
> > you
> > > load the graphics patches and do the tweaks available at
> > > www.hcmotorsports.com , the game is fun and challenging to play and is
> > > definitely the best sim that EA has ever released for the NASCAR crowd
> ...

> > > > However, the difference between any of these sims and a Papyrus
> > > > simulation is huge.  No company has dedicated as much time and care
in
> > > > perfecting the art of simulating motorsport as Papyrus has, and it
> > > > shows in their product.  That's not a subjective statement, it's
pure
> > > > and simple fact.  They create simulations with uncompromising
realism,
> > > > which can not be said about any other company.

> > > I agree completely with what you are saying about Papyrus.