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by **GraDe** » Sun, 25 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Hi guys,
I'm having this really weird problem that I just simply cannot get under a
1.24 at Kylami (same problems with other tracks but I'll use Kylami as an
example).
I've been driving the Ferrari and occasionally the Lotus and for the past
year or more no improvement from 1.24.

Just for fun I gave the eagle a lap around Kyalami yesterday and immediately
took the time down to 1.22. Judging by how I drove I fell I' could knock
more time off that if I worked at it.

Back to the Ferrari and Lotus, 1.26, 1.25, 1.24, .1.24.... same as usual.

One thing I noticed greatly as the turning power of the Eagle. It really got
stuck into the first corner and I a able to take other corners much faster.
Then I thought, but aren't the Lotus and Ferrari capable of quicker lap?
Could it be the set-ups?

I don't have many set-ups installed but unlike other sims I find it
difficult to tune the cars myself in GPL.
But I wonder, are some of them real?

The one I used for the eagle is definitely quick.

But All I can put the Lotus and Ferrari times down to is a poor set-up, yet
they claim to be from people who can do 1.18's, etc....
I didn't notice the great amount of understerr until I tried the eagle
set-ups.

So 2 questions to finish this off?
Are some people bluffing and putting out bad set-ups.
And secondly does anyone know where to pick up some genuinely good set-ups
as the ones I have don' seem to be up to much.

by **Eldre** » Sun, 25 Jun 2000 04:00:00

>The one I used for the eagle is definitely quick.

>But All I can put the Lotus and Ferrari times down to is a poor set-up, yet
>they claim to be from people who can do 1.18's, etc....
>I didn't notice the great amount of understerr until I tried the eagle
>set-ups.

>So 2 questions to finish this off?
>Are some people bluffing and putting out bad set-ups.
>And secondly does anyone know where to pick up some genuinely good set-ups
>as the ones I have don' seem to be up to much.

Some settings suit diferent peoples' driving styles. I've had settings for
Silverstone that I'm 6 seconds slower than the 'author'. Same with Zandvoort.
I have a 3:12 setting for Spa that I can't get lower than 3:24 with. I really
don't think people are 'bluffing' with their setups, but I'll be damned if I
can figure out HOW they do it...

Eldred
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by **GraDee** » Sun, 25 Jun 2000 04:00:00

> >The one I used for the eagle is definitely quick.

> >But All I can put the Lotus and Ferrari times down to is a poor set-up,
yet
> >they claim to be from people who can do 1.18's, etc....
> >I didn't notice the great amount of understerr until I tried the eagle
> >set-ups.

> >So 2 questions to finish this off?
> >Are some people bluffing and putting out bad set-ups.
> >And secondly does anyone know where to pick up some genuinely good
set-ups
> >as the ones I have don' seem to be up to much.

> Some settings suit diferent peoples' driving styles. I've had settings
for
> Silverstone that I'm 6 seconds slower than the 'author'. Same with
Zandvoort.
> I have a 3:12 setting for Spa that I can't get lower than 3:24 with. I
really
> don't think people are 'bluffing' with their setups, but I'll be damned if
I
> can figure out HOW they do it...

> Eldred

Well, the Eagle set-up I used rocked! I never felt GPL handle so good.

My problem is basically that if a set-up does not sit your style is usually
for the reason that it tends to oversteer as a lot of the faster drivers
like.
However, these 2 set-ups I was using suffered from major understeer, I don't
know how a driving style can compensate for this. Its abnormal.

by **Kevin Gavit** » Sun, 25 Jun 2000 04:00:00

Simple cure. Take a click out of the front roll bar. Repeat as neccessary.
Each click will reduce understeer.

An understeering car can also be induced to oversteer by "blipping" the
throttle as you turn in, and by using power as you exit.

by **Eldre** » Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:00:00

>Simple cure. Take a click out of the front roll bar. Repeat as neccessary.
>Each click will reduce understeer.

Thank you. Even *I* can understand this one...<g> But, I have another
question. How can you tell if the understeering is the fault of the setup, or
caused because you enter a turn too fast?

Eldred
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by **Uncle Feste** » Mon, 26 Jun 2000 04:00:00

> >Simple cure. Take a click out of the front roll bar. Repeat as neccessary.
> >Each click will reduce understeer.

> Thank you. Even *I* can understand this one...<g> But, I have another
> question. How can you tell if the understeering is the fault of the setup, or
> caused because you enter a turn too fast?

Easy. If others can attain such speed thru the corner, it's do-able.
There can only be one of 2 problems then, line or setup. Or a
combination thereof.

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Chuck Kandler
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by **Eldre** » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

writes:

But I've had times where using the exact same setup, on the same
line(seemingly), I couldn't match the speed.

Eldred
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by **Uncle Feste** » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

> writes:

> >> >Simple cure. Take a click out of the front roll bar. Repeat as neccessary.
> >> >Each click will reduce understeer.

> >> Thank you. Even *I* can understand this one...<g> But, I have another
> >> question. How can you tell if the understeering is the fault of the setup,
> >or
> >> caused because you enter a turn too fast?

> >Easy. If others can attain such speed thru the corner, it's do-able.
> >There can only be one of 2 problems then, line or setup. Or a
> >combination thereof.

> But I've had times where using the exact same setup, on the same
> line(seemingly), I couldn't match the speed.

Difference in technique then? At least you know it can be done, if
others have done it. Also there can be differences machine to machine
as well. Tweaking the setup to suit should help.

--
Chuck Kandler
GPL F1 Handicap of +210.00 as of 6/15
GPL F3 Handicap of +438.42 as of 6/21
K&S Racing
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by **Uncle Feste** » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

> writes:

> >> >Simple cure. Take a click out of the front roll bar. Repeat as neccessary.
> >> >Each click will reduce understeer.

> >> Thank you. Even *I* can understand this one...<g> But, I have another
> >> question. How can you tell if the understeering is the fault of the setup,
> >or
> >> caused because you enter a turn too fast?

> >Easy. If others can attain such speed thru the corner, it's do-able.
> >There can only be one of 2 problems then, line or setup. Or a
> >combination thereof.

> But I've had times where using the exact same setup, on the same
> line(seemingly), I couldn't match the speed.

Hold on here. Who the hell am I to counsel *you* on driving??? Look at
our handicap differences! <g>

--
Chuck Kandler
GPL F1 Handicap of +210.00 as of 6/15
GPL F3 Handicap of +438.42 as of 6/21
K&S Racing
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by **Eldre** » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

writes:

LOL! So, I'd at least like to be on the same LAP with the aliens...<g>
Currently, I'm light years away...

Eldred
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by **Peter Ive** » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

atclear.nospam.ie> writes

<snip>

I can certainly vouch for the Kyalami Lotus setups. Without them I
would still be doing 1:20 laps with my own setups. :)
--
Peter Ives

by **Michael Youn** » Tue, 27 Jun 2000 04:00:00

The difference might be any number of things. Are you turning in soon
enough? Too soon? Maybe you just weigh more than Gregor :-). Or maybe the
tires weren't up to temp yet? Are you trailbraking the same on entry? Gas-on
and balancing at the same points? I keep hoping my infinite permutations of
these combine one day into the perfect lap, and then I'll post new PB's.

Michael.

by **Lee Wee Leon** » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

where do you get these setups? I'm still in 1.34s/wl

> atclear.nospam.ie> writes

> <snip>

> >But All I can put the Lotus and Ferrari times down to is a poor set-up,
yet
> >they claim to be from people who can do 1.18's, etc....
> >I didn't notice the great amount of understerr until I tried the eagle
> >set-ups.

> >So 2 questions to finish this off?
> >Are some people bluffing and putting out bad set-ups.
> >And secondly does anyone know where to pick up some genuinely good
> >set-ups
> >as the ones I have don' seem to be up to much.

> I can certainly vouch for the Kyalami Lotus setups. Without them I
> would still be doing 1:20 laps with my own setups. :)
> --
> Peter Ives

by **Gregor Vebl** » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

> Hi guys,
> I'm having this really weird problem that I just simply cannot get under a
> 1.24 at Kylami (same problems with other tracks but I'll use Kylami as an
> example).
> I've been driving the Ferrari and occasionally the Lotus and for the past
> year or more no improvement from 1.24.

The difference is probably in the differential lock setup. Eagle is a
heavier car so the 30 default coast ramp angle does not have such a
strong effect I think.

My advice is to forget about roll bars when initially setting up your
car. Increase the coast side of the ramp angle. Me, I use 60/60 with 1
clutch on my Ferrari, which gives me great traction on almost all
circuits, and excellent turn in capability. Furthermore, the car is
really throttle steerable. You will need to take away some of the rear
roll bar with such settings, though (I use about 1/2-3/4 of the front
roll bar value on the rear, depending on the track).

Really, play with the differential lock, in my experience it is THE
setup option that determines the handling.

-Gregor

by **Uncle Feste** » Wed, 28 Jun 2000 04:00:00

> The difference might be any number of things. Are you turning in soon
> enough? Too soon? Maybe you just weigh more than Gregor :-). Or maybe the
> tires weren't up to temp yet? Are you trailbraking the same on entry? Gas-on
> and balancing at the same points? I keep hoping my infinite permutations of
> these combine one day into the perfect lap, and then I'll post new PB's.

Yeah, I don't know why but I always lump Line and Technique together in
my mind. I guess because differing lines require different techniques
in order to work.

--
Chuck Kandler
GPL F1 Handicap of +210.00 as of 6/15
GPL F3 Handicap of +438.42 as of 6/21
K&S Racing
http://www.fortunecity.com/silverstone/thepits/195

Registered Linux User #180746
http://counter.li.org

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