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N4 models rear wing damage?

R Keatin

N4 models rear wing damage?

by R Keatin » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 02:41:00

I had an accident where the backend stepped out and I wound up backing into
the wall.  After that, the car felt very loose.  I thought I was just being
over aggressive trying to  get the time back that I lost from the spin.
After the race I saw on the replay that my rear wing looked damaged.

Does N4 model rear wing damage and the subsequent loss of down force that
would occur?  It would be nice to know.  If they model it, I would have
taken the time to get it fixed.  Not knowing if it is modeled or not, I
stayed out and fought the car for the rest of the race.

Tire temps and wear where were not a factor as they were all fine.

Russell

Schoone

N4 models rear wing damage?

by Schoone » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 01:43:52

I'm pretty sure that it is modeled.


George Majo

N4 models rear wing damage?

by George Majo » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 04:57:55

the whole car is modeled engine too

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N4 models rear wing damage?

by SimRace » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 05:10:23

Yes, damage to either the front air dam or rear "spoiler" will result in a
loss of downforce at the affected end of the car. If your car was that
damaged, you were most likely running realistic damage. If that's the case,
don't hold your breath expecting a "complete" repair job, because also like
real life, those things just can't be easily fixed in a pit stop...Just my
experiences with N4.

Simracer


> the whole car is modeled engine too

> --
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> http://www.onlineautoracing.com


> > I had an accident where the backend stepped out and I wound up backing
> into
> > the wall.  After that, the car felt very loose.  I thought I was just
> being
> > over aggressive trying to  get the time back that I lost from the spin.
> > After the race I saw on the replay that my rear wing looked damaged.

> > Does N4 model rear wing damage and the subsequent loss of down force
that
> > would occur?  It would be nice to know.  If they model it, I would have
> > taken the time to get it fixed.  Not knowing if it is modeled or not, I
> > stayed out and fought the car for the rest of the race.

> > Tire temps and wear where were not a factor as they were all fine.

> > Russell

Schoone

N4 models rear wing damage?

by Schoone » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 04:33:27

Yes, it's a pretty realistic simulation of NASCAR all around.


> Yes, damage to either the front air dam or rear "spoiler" will result in a
> loss of downforce at the affected end of the car. If your car was that
> damaged, you were most likely running realistic damage. If that's the
case,
> don't hold your breath expecting a "complete" repair job, because also
like
> real life, those things just can't be easily fixed in a pit stop...Just my
> experiences with N4.

> Simracer



> > the whole car is modeled engine too

> > --
> > Webmaster and owner of
> > http://www.onlineautoracing.com


> > > I had an accident where the backend stepped out and I wound up backing
> > into
> > > the wall.  After that, the car felt very loose.  I thought I was just
> > being
> > > over aggressive trying to  get the time back that I lost from the
spin.
> > > After the race I saw on the replay that my rear wing looked damaged.

> > > Does N4 model rear wing damage and the subsequent loss of down force
> that
> > > would occur?  It would be nice to know.  If they model it, I would
have
> > > taken the time to get it fixed.  Not knowing if it is modeled or not,
I
> > > stayed out and fought the car for the rest of the race.

> > > Tire temps and wear where were not a factor as they were all fine.

> > > Russell

Don Burnett

N4 models rear wing damage?

by Don Burnett » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 07:23:53

Yes, but it is "spoiler" here in redneck country, not rear wing :)

If you damage part  of the car that would effect your aerodynamics, it will
model it. One of the problems with many leagues that run realistic damage is
drivers will get involved in an incident, get repaired what can be repaired
and go back out suddenly finding themselves very loose and spinning it
around.

Don Burnette


R Keatin

N4 models rear wing damage?

by R Keatin » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 07:30:19

Thanks to all for the replies.

The reason I asked was because it appears some corners were cut when
modeling damage.  For example wall riding causes no damage (although the
patch slows you down for a while stopping cheating).  Also there appears to
only be 2 states for the suspension (for each wheel), 100% OK or complete
failure.  So glancing blows into the wall don't hurt the car at all.

It's unfortunate because I believe GPL had a few degrees of suspension
failure.

Don't get me wrong, I really like N4 ... just pushing for more and more
realism.

Thanks again,
Russell


> the whole car is modeled engine too

> --
> Webmaster and owner of
> http://www.onlineautoracing.com


> > I had an accident where the backend stepped out and I wound up backing
> into
> > the wall.  After that, the car felt very loose.  I thought I was just
> being
> > over aggressive trying to  get the time back that I lost from the spin.
> > After the race I saw on the replay that my rear wing looked damaged.

> > Does N4 model rear wing damage and the subsequent loss of down force
that
> > would occur?  It would be nice to know.  If they model it, I would have
> > taken the time to get it fixed.  Not knowing if it is modeled or not, I
> > stayed out and fought the car for the rest of the race.

> > Tire temps and wear where were not a factor as they were all fine.

> > Russell

Txl

N4 models rear wing damage?

by Txl » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 07:32:19

So basically all over the world the spoiler in the FRONT aerodynamic thing
under the front end of the car except in "redneck country" ?
How do you want that we understand you ?

o-)



> Yes, but it is "spoiler" here in redneck country, not rear wing :)

> If you damage part  of the car that would effect your aerodynamics, it
will
> model it. One of the problems with many leagues that run realistic damage
is
> drivers will get involved in an incident, get repaired what can be
repaired
> and go back out suddenly finding themselves very loose and spinning it
> around.

> Don Burnette



> > I had an accident where the backend stepped out and I wound up backing
> into
> > the wall.  After that, the car felt very loose.  I thought I was just
> being
> > over aggressive trying to  get the time back that I lost from the spin.
> > After the race I saw on the replay that my rear wing looked damaged.

> > Does N4 model rear wing damage and the subsequent loss of down force
that
> > would occur?  It would be nice to know.  If they model it, I would have
> > taken the time to get it fixed.  Not knowing if it is modeled or not, I
> > stayed out and fought the car for the rest of the race.

> > Tire temps and wear where were not a factor as they were all fine.

> > Russell

Don Burnett

N4 models rear wing damage?

by Don Burnett » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 07:35:49

You sound like a guy in serious need of a good bowl of grits.

:)

Don Burnette


Thom j

N4 models rear wing damage?

by Thom j » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 07:52:14

Some "Hog jaoouuz" & black eye'd peas too!!
Btw: Isnt the front spoiler still called an "air'dam"?

| You sound like a guy in serious need of a good bowl of grits.
|
| :)
|
| Don Burnette
|

| > So basically all over the world the spoiler in the FRONT aerodynamic
thing
| > under the front end of the car except in "redneck country" ?
| > How do you want that we understand you ?
| >
| > o-)
|
|
|

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Don Burnett

N4 models rear wing damage?

by Don Burnett » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 07:55:14

Lol, yes, the original post referenced  the " rear" wing, so I was stating
we call it a spoiler in this part of the country.
The front would be air dam or valance I guess.

Don Burnette


> Some "Hog jaoouuz" & black eye'd peas too!!
> Btw: Isnt the front spoiler still called an "air'dam"?


> | You sound like a guy in serious need of a good bowl of grits.
> |
> | :)
> |
> | Don Burnette
> |


> | > So basically all over the world the spoiler in the FRONT aerodynamic
> thing
> | > under the front end of the car except in "redneck country" ?
> | > How do you want that we understand you ?
> | >
> | > o-)
> |
> |
> |

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ymenar

N4 models rear wing damage?

by ymenar » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 09:55:28


> Also there appears to only be 2 states for the suspension (for each

wheel), 100% OK or complete

Are you sure there's no other levels then On or off?  Like you said even in
GPL you have more then just two levels of suspension damage.  When the N4
replay analyser is released, it will give us much more information about
such feature.  It's a shame the customers (or at least us the ***
customers) can't have access to that type of information.

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N4 models rear wing damage?

by Larr » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 10:29:30

It would be nice if it would, like in real life, get a little bit 'better'
with each pit stop though.

This is something that has bugged me about Nx for a long time.  There's a
pre-set amount of repair you get.  No more.

That's not realistic.  In real racing, every pit stop the pit crew can
improve the situation.  Not in N4.

-Larry


> Yes, damage to either the front air dam or rear "spoiler" will result in a
> loss of downforce at the affected end of the car. If your car was that
> damaged, you were most likely running realistic damage. If that's the
case,
> don't hold your breath expecting a "complete" repair job, because also
like
> real life, those things just can't be easily fixed in a pit stop...Just my
> experiences with N4.

> Simracer



> > the whole car is modeled engine too

> > --
> > Webmaster and owner of
> > http://www.onlineautoracing.com


> > > I had an accident where the backend stepped out and I wound up backing
> > into
> > > the wall.  After that, the car felt very loose.  I thought I was just
> > being
> > > over aggressive trying to  get the time back that I lost from the
spin.
> > > After the race I saw on the replay that my rear wing looked damaged.

> > > Does N4 model rear wing damage and the subsequent loss of down force
> that
> > > would occur?  It would be nice to know.  If they model it, I would
have
> > > taken the time to get it fixed.  Not knowing if it is modeled or not,
I
> > > stayed out and fought the car for the rest of the race.

> > > Tire temps and wear where were not a factor as they were all fine.

> > > Russell

Dave Henri

N4 models rear wing damage?

by Dave Henri » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 13:39:23

  Basically here is the USA posistion, and, as we all have learned recently,
this will be the correct one...:)
  It is a WING if it sits off the deck, held up by one or more
thingamajobbies(stanchions?)  It is a SPOILER if it's bottom edge is
connected to the width of the car.  Euro/Aussie Touring Cars use Wings.
Winston Cup cars use Spoilers.  Trans Am cars used Spoilers until last year
when they swapped over to wings.  F15's use Wings....Typhoons use
Canards...but that's another story.
  The front of the car can also have a spoiler if it connects  along it's
width to the car.  I believe the European word would be splitter.  Heck back
in the old days of Nascar, the front spoiler was little more than a two inch
tab of metal sticking down from the bumper and only maybe 36 inches wide.
They called 'em Chin Spoilers.
other common terms that have been bolloxed up by one side or the other.
Hood=Bonnet
Trunk=Boot
The Hospital=Hospital
A Vacation=Vacation
Skirts=Valence
  that about covers ALL the differences...I think.
dave(I call em like I see'em)henrie



> >Lol, yes, the original post referenced  the " rear" wing, so I was
stating
> >we call it a spoiler in this part of the country.
> >The front would be air dam or valance I guess.

> >Don Burnette

> Must be a Southern thang Don...coz way own south (Oz) we too call it a
> spoiler and at the front an air dam with or without a splitter.  Though,
to
> be honest, when the discussion turns to adjustable spoilers sitting up off
> the rear deck, they tend to become rear wings....which kind of makes
sense,
> no?

> Ben

Gerald Moo

N4 models rear wing damage?

by Gerald Moo » Wed, 01 Aug 2001 21:51:06

According to Foxworthy, I am *probably* a redneck.  Be that as it may,
I tend to think that it should be called a spoiler regardless of where
you live, etc. because that is what it is, i.e. it is not a "wing" at
all.

AND, I think *everybody* could use a good dose of grits... mmmmm,
grits....

Please use salt on your grits,

Gerald Moore


> Lol, yes, the original post referenced  the " rear" wing, so I was stating
> we call it a spoiler in this part of the country.
> The front would be air dam or valance I guess.

> Don Burnette



> > Some "Hog jaoouuz" & black eye'd peas too!!
> > Btw: Isnt the front spoiler still called an "air'dam"?


> > | You sound like a guy in serious need of a good bowl of grits.
> > |
> > | :)
> > |
> > | Don Burnette
> > |


> > | > So basically all over the world the spoiler in the FRONT aerodynamic
>  thing
> > | > under the front end of the car except in "redneck country" ?
> > | > How do you want that we understand you ?
> > | >
> > | > o-)
> > |
> > |
> > |

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