Yowza! When did you start working for the government? That sounds like
an AltaVista "Babelfish" translation from the original Urdu. Lighten up,
Frank ... all I really wanted to know was your explanation of the
differences in game engines, and you just refuse to answer. If you know
this stuff, I'd like to learn about it. Don't be shy...
BB
> >GP2 came out in an era of software graphics, so poor performance can (to
> >some degree) be excused. SBK2000, GPL and RC2000 have demonstrated that,
> >with modern 3D hardware, there really is no excuse for having to "grow into"
> >a sim over the course of a year. On even a "modest" PIII-450, any of these
> >will run well.
> But, Stephen, when GPL was released 2 years ago, there was no such
> thing as a PII-450. Everyone had problems running GP2, just like
> they had problems running GP2 and, now, F1-2000.
GP2 was much more ahead of the hardware curve for its time. With a 160 MHz processor, you
had to turn a ton of stuff off to race in SVGA, and even then you got a lot of slowdowns at
various places.
Dave Ewing
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> My main point was
> that there's no real reason why F1-2000 should be sluggish.
The real problem is the lack of an in-game
control to reduce the number of AI drivers
in a race.
To be fair to F12K, I have to say that even
today I don't run GPL offline with 19 AI
drivers. The frame rate hit is too big.
FIA _required_ ISI to force a full field of
AI drivers in the game. ISI had no choice
in the matter, or they would have allowed
smaller fields.
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* rrev at mindspring dot com *
>> But, Stephen, when GPL was released 2 years ago, there was no such
>> thing as a PII-450. Everyone had problems running GP2, just like
>> they had problems running GP2 and, now, F1-2000.
>It looks like you have a typo in there rrevved. When GPL was officially released at the end
>of September 1998, the top of the line processor was the PII-450
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* rrev at mindspring dot com *
>It't funny, I'm sure I'll get flamed for saying I like the game.
I agree. The more vocal ones, in RAS, are much less tolerant
of any sim except GPL. That's a shame and sends a message to
game developers, of 'why bother'.
Yep.
Amen.
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* rrev at mindspring dot com *
>> It may be fun if you take out any disbelief that this is actually how a F1
>> car handles. You can't powerslide&trailbrake in real-life, it's an
>> impossible thing that only a few have ever mastered in the history of modern
>> racing. Everybody knows that, and it's imho a reason why a driver like Alex
>> Zanardi failed in F1 compared to the CART series or simply how the F1 cars
>> handled half a century ago.
>Say what? Are you saying that nobody can trailbrake in modern F1 and that only
>a handful of drivers ever accomplished that? I really don't think that's true
>at all.
I think Frank is unduly opinionated and above all he tends to make
sweeping generalizations that he cannot prove. He tries to include ALL
of RAS in his comments by saying '*we* want', *we* think', *we* are
of the opinion', etc. when he only speaks for himself. At least I can
promise you that he doesn't speak for me.
His silly comments have gone on for some time, but now a great little
(imperfect) sim has been released.. F1-2000. It is the absolute best
modern F1 sim on the planet. [looks around] anybody disagree?
Frank's constant harping on it's perceived flaws are not good for
our hobby. He certainly has a right to not like F1-2000, but maybe
some of his more esoteric 'trailbraking' etc. comments, are best
kept to himself. Of course, he has the right to say what he wants,
but his latest comments are grating to some people, myself included.
His comments -don't- help get us more 'sims'. Esoteric comments such
as his, might make developers think that the *** fans can
never be satisfied.
Summary:
Frank has become the poster boy for why developers may just give up
on the *** fans. It happened in flight sims and it may happen with
racing sims if there is no support for those who make them. If 'we'
don't like a sim because of it's trailbraking flaws, maybe 'we' should
remember that there is a -lot- more to simulation than trailbraking,
and that, perhaps, our *** racing sim hobby is at stake .
[steps down from soap-box]
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>Looks like they finally have won, Im out of this newsgroup for a
>undetermined period of time.
>But hey, what do they know? Because of people like rrevved, you won't have
>tracks like Surfer's Paradise or Red Rock available for GPL, neither you
>will have GPL converted tracks for N3, since I'll supposedly don't help the
>community so I will simply stop working on them. I'll also stop beta
>testing for companies like I've always done, since there's no need for
>people like me. Or take almost a year of my life helping with the NROS as a
>Guide, almost 30hours per week for free. What a shame, but what do people
>like rrevved and Barton (who's appears here each year and leaves after not
>long) know about the community?
>All this for the word "we" and "impossible". Nice work, guys...
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>>Did you give up on flightsims BTW ??.
>I'm going back to my racing sims... :)
rrevved, try SBK 2000 it is sweet. I have never ridden a race bike
before but love the game.
Nice smooth graphics and lots of "newbie" options
- James "Gunslinger" Wohlever
Techware Computer Services
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>>>Did you give up on flightsims BTW ??.
>>I'm going back to my racing sims... :)
>Ha rrevved, me and you seem to run in the same "cycle"
>I love my flight sims, but every time I get one it needs 2 or 3
>patches before the game will work according to the manual.
>Plus with racing sims I don't have to learn 500 damn commands :)
I tried it, and had trouble with the controls, but I may borrow it
from my neighbor and give it a little better thrashing.. ;)
>Techware Computer Services
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>Andre
>>> Frank has become the poster boy for why developers may just give up
>>> on the *** fans. It happened in flight sims and it may happen with
>>> racing sims if there is no support for those who make them. If 'we'
>>> don't like a sim because of it's trailbraking flaws, maybe 'we' should
>>> remember that there is a -lot- more to simulation than trailbraking,
>>> and that, perhaps, our *** racing sim hobby is at stake .
>>Looks like they finally have won, Im out of this newsgroup for a
>>undetermined period of time.
>>But hey, what do they know? Because of people like rrevved, you won't have
>>tracks like Surfer's Paradise or Red Rock available for GPL, neither you
>>will have GPL converted tracks for N3, since I'll supposedly don't help the
>>community so I will simply stop working on them. I'll also stop beta
>>testing for companies like I've always done, since there's no need for
>>people like me. Or take almost a year of my life helping with the NROS as a
>>Guide, almost 30hours per week for free. What a shame, but what do people
>>like rrevved and Barton (who's appears here each year and leaves after not
>>long) know about the community?
>>All this for the word "we" and "impossible". Nice work, guys...
Looks like they finally have won, Im out of this newsgroup for a
undetermined period of time.
But hey, what do they know? Because of people like rrevved, you won't have
tracks like Surfer's Paradise or Red Rock available for GPL, neither you
will have GPL converted tracks for N3, since I'll supposedly don't help the
community so I will simply stop working on them. I'll also stop beta
testing for companies like I've always done, since there's no need for
people like me. Or take almost a year of my life helping with the NROS as a
Guide, almost 30hours per week for free. What a shame, but what do people
like rrevved and Barton (who's appears here each year and leaves after not
long) know about the community?
All this for the word "we" and "impossible". Nice work, guys...
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-- People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world.
Andre
>Looks like they finally have won, Im out of this newsgroup for a
>undetermined period of time.
>But hey, what do they know? Because of people like rrevved, you won't have
>tracks like Surfer's Paradise or Red Rock available for GPL, neither you
>will have GPL converted tracks for N3, since I'll supposedly don't help the
>community so I will simply stop working on them. I'll also stop beta
>testing for companies like I've always done, since there's no need for
>people like me. Or take almost a year of my life helping with the NROS as a
>Guide, almost 30hours per week for free. What a shame, but what do people
>like rrevved and Barton (who's appears here each year and leaves after not
>long) know about the community?
>All this for the word "we" and "impossible". Nice work, guys...
% His silly comments have gone on for some time, but now a great little
% (imperfect) sim has been released.. F1-2000. It is the absolute best
% modern F1 sim on the planet. [looks around] anybody disagree?
I can only say that it is the *only* modern F1 sim on the planet... But
it is sad to say that I am not pleased with it at all. I would rather
tool around with F1RS (never felt the follow up was worth it or even
better) while I wait for GP3, than waste my time with F1 2000. (besides
that will leave me more time to thoroughly enjoy NFS:PU....)
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