list
and I will talk frankly...
Andreas Wilke - Top driver has done very well, super commited, has monster
rank, mega monster rank, and quite possibly the best level of consistancy
with all cars ive every seen a GPL driver. Took me a long time to reach
Andis speed, but his overall commitment far excels anything I could reach
for. Andreas is the perfect sim racer IMO, he may not be the fastest, but
hes very technical and offers the sport everything he has.
Marko Vitanen - Fast early on played in very late 2001 times, quick reliable
but never quite seemed to get where he going speed wise.
Fromel - Fast driver thesedays, and always has been.
U'Ren - Never made the grade once the GPL thing took off properly in 2000.
Krejcrik - Never that fast, seemed to fade away.
Nowitzki - Little know of this driver really, not over impressed with what i
saw.
Huttu - During the 2000/early 2001, Huttu was the consumate champion, total
domination of everything, during the very peak of GPL online early
2000/early 2001 Huttu was unstoppable, he grasp of GPL in every respect
dominated everyone. Masterful. Left us in early 2001.
Arnholm - Very quick early on in GPL 99/early 00, but then seemed to fade
away as the new drivers got online.
Stewart - On the scene early on, took Greg a while to find the speed till
about mid 2001...top driver, very level headed, good racer, stuck with GPL
to the end and was a big player in the peak of GPL.
Ehnstrom - Quick at first, very talanted no doubt, but as with Geo failed to
stay with GPL long enough nd play during the peak, therefor sadly for me as
with George was once good, but in the overall picture of GPL played his
cards to early. Top driver in the early days though.
Hannsson - WHO?
Longfield - Never raced against, average driver, not overly quick, doesnt he
run an F2 league now.
etc etc
It is interesting looking at this early list and seeing maybe only Gabor,
Huttu, Wilke, Phelps, Stewart as drivers that featured in the big times on
GPL.
Add to this list Jon Davies, Lclean, Firlien, Royal, Mee, Wintrip, Marante,
Knops, Miskelly, Rosenwieg, Bolcina, Mercer, Prydden, Schmidt, Reinhold,
Gardewall, Weiland, Weoger, Hudevndiek, Kalisinik, Lake, Kleman Furlan,
Langraf, Junnilanen and sorry to all from the period i forgot. You have GPL
at its best, you notice Georges name doesnt come into my list of respected
drivers as. From the time George was playing GPL there were virually no
drivers that made it, or stayed with GPL till the high times of
mid00/late01. 4 of this list have done very well for themselves...But thats
all part of the game...
Old Geo left before it all kicked off and some talent got on the scene, I
and all the others in my list stuck with it and saw it done to its demise,
GPL lost its bite for most in late 2001, since then its been hanging around
in VROC waiting for WSC/RL :)
As we hung around and played longer, that makes us better than George at
playing GPL this cannot be doubted, and afterall in competition playing the
game is how you compete. Ive only seriously played GPL and in my GPL time
and my league racing/MOG/SRM/GPLWS/UKGPL/HGPLM/CHAMPS1-2 races Geo hasnt
been in any bar maybe 1-2, therefor for me and prolly alot of others from
the late arrivals who enjoyed the fruits of GPL at its finest you dont
figure in the equation.
GPL was ten times more competitive in late 00/early01 that it was when i
arrived December 99. But sadly by this time Geo had flow the nest, so sadly
Geo is only as fast at GPL than his last setup of qual laps, which by modern
standards as slow as shit...
This is therefor why I dont rate you Geo at the sim I play....I dont play
F12002 so I dont care whether your faster to be honest. I dearly hope once
again with RL that everyone in my list, and those sadly departed before
there talents had fully fledged and hadnt had time to make an impact on GPL
in its finest era will get there chance on a level playing where everyone
has amassed enough sim knowledge to be at or very near there top ablilties
and from the off getting straight into racing like GPLs hayday. GPL in the
early days was more about who learns fast, but as in Geo's case its not
always who learns fast who comes out on top, as to come out on Top at the
finish of competition you have to been there to progress and make your mark
with the times. Trying to say your better than me at GPL cause you won a
season before 80% of the big names even discovered there was a game called
GPL is mate, laughable....
If it were anyone in my list that I had built respect for racing wheel to
wheel for the last 2years in full GP's etc i wouldnt be sat here argueing
with you, as id know you were talented and Id have respect for you. Id have
raced with you during that period and know your limits, your proper talents.
I and all the all names on my list are miles better than you at GPL when it
came to the finishing line, you could have been this and that while people
were discovering the game and learning to play it, but fact remains at the
finishing post your name doesnt even enter any GPL god or icon convesations
unlike all those frequently named ones I list about.
Sorry chap youll have to wait for RL to prove to me your not just fast of
the blocks...F12002 could offer this but sadly it seems the interest in it
shown by VROC members since its release has all but dried out, and lets fact
it theres not much competition over there as with early days of GPL...
Theres a lot of drivers i have alot of respect for Geo, sadly mate your not
one of them :)
David
> about every driver come and go, and I dont rate Geo in the same sentance
as
> any of the drivers youve mentioned mate. At the peak of GPL back in early
to
> late 2001 when wilke, greger, stewart, mee, mclean, bolcina etc were
racing
> George was nowhere, Geo started played in the very early days, and what
ive
> seen of him on track since then has been reflection of someone who got
> washed up and went elsewhere....
> Geo missed the boat, he might have been good in 99 and the very early
stages
> of 2000. the old Savats and chaz days, but lets fact it onlne back then
> there were very few racers to be fair, and when I arrived the flocks of
> talent were just approaching and GPL opened up big time to the masses. By
> this George had already packed his bags and run off elsewhere. Also the
> times run back then were shit to be honest...the limit has only been found
> in the last year really even for old cards like Stewart, GPL is now FAR
more
> difficult to be at the top than back in 2000, I used to hang around the
> top10-20 baord in the old days, then in 2001 after geo had pissed off
things
> got hot! both ranks and racing. Far more effort to be where i am today
then
> back them.
> Geo sadly disappeared before the GPL hayday, luckily I and many others
were
> about during this time and its these drivers i rate highly, not Geo, as he
> never reached his full potential, stuck at it, and doesnt even have any
good
> laps in any car bar the eagle..
> Good in the old days, nowhere now....
> David
> Andrew <And...@freeserve.com> wrote in message
> news:aij0lo$rt7$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > After reading this great thread i did a little research on you George :)
> > It seems you are/were a real sim racing star,so now it all fits.
> > Powell obviously came into the 'elite' drivers circle after you and you
> were
> > the name in lights at the top he was striving to catch.
> > His adoration of you is obvious,it comes out in hate and sarcasm to save
> his
> > ego etched face.
> > It seems to me after reading all the thread again that in Powell's eyes
> > whoever is top now is better,so poor Greger is now only 3rd best in his
> > eyes,and likewise with Bolcina,Junnilanen,Crispenberg et al.
> > Powell may be top 10(or 10th) now but if all had carried on like the
above
> > mentioned,he knows he would be alot lower,this is obvious by his words
to
> > you George.
> > RAS bully boys need sorting out and you George have the 'ammunition' to
> sort
> > out Powell,you were/are his mentor,he does worship you and eventually he
> > will relent to your greater ability.
> > Be aware that if Powell smells defeat in this matter he may revert to a
> > different angle,like being wealthier than you or younger than you
> ,whichever
> > takes the spoils :)
> > Nice work George.:)
> > Andy
John Pancoast <jpanco...@tetontel.com> wrote in message
> John
> "jason moyer" <jmo...@chemlab.org> wrote in message
> news:3d4d25a9.110962534@news.stargate.net...
> > On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:09:20 +0100, "David Powell"
> > <davidpow...@clara.co.uk> wrote:
> > >I conclude this arguement as pointless....
> > If there is anything more pointless than hotlapping, it's arguing
> > about hotlapping.
> > Jason
John Pancoast <jpanco...@tetontel.com> wrote in message
> John
> "jason moyer" <jmo...@chemlab.org> wrote in message
> news:3d4d25a9.110962534@news.stargate.net...
> > On Sat, 3 Aug 2002 23:09:20 +0100, "David Powell"
> > <davidpow...@clara.co.uk> wrote:
> > >I conclude this arguement as pointless....
> > If there is anything more pointless than hotlapping, it's arguing
> > about hotlapping.
> > Jason