Jon Andersen <Sjakks...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> In every sport or any other activity of a competative nature, skill grows
as
> time goes by. Look at track&fields. Ppl have been dong track&fields for
> centurys, maybe thousands of years. How many WRs were set more than 10-20
> years old? Those running more 10-20 years ago, doing WRs: were they no
good?
> They must be, using the logic you present.

> GPL is 4 years old.

> How dare you say that those doing close to WR laps 2-4 years ago were no
> good? BTW: In your list of respected drivers, several of those left the
> scene a while ago. If Mr. Sandman isn't worthy of respect, then I fail to
> see how a few of the other drivers you mentioned are worthy of respect.

> Although you do not say this explicitly about Roland Ehnstr?m, you are
> saying that the heroes of the past left before real talent came along.
> Roland left the scene approx 2 years ago. He was never number 1. He is
still
> ranked 31th. Risto Junnilainen left the scene before I came along. He is
> still 34th.

> In 4 years, you may have gotten a life, and have quit GPL. By that time,
you
> probably will not be ranked number 10 at GPLrank. You just may find
yourself
> outside top 100. By your logic, you must be crap, then. You quit before
some
> real talent came along.

> You being number 10 at GPLrank is a snapshot of history. Mr Sandman had
his
> snapshot a few years ago. Still, you insist on comparing those snapshots
as
> if they were taken at the same time. Please do that after you have quit
GPL,
> too. Then you would find that you are being beaten by some, arrogant kid,
> telling you that you were no good, racing before real talent came along.

> I remember when Barty Mee came along. He was the laughing stock at Vroc.
The
> one everybody picked on. He did a few surprisingly fast laps, but was
> ridiculed for not being able to complete a race. He had been doing GPL for
6
> months. Those ridiculing him had been racing for 2 years. Of course he
> crashed out more often than the veterans. He had less seat time. But he
had
> talent. He was fast, in spite of limited seat time. That's the kind of
skill
> David Powell refuses to acknowledge in his fight with Mr. Sandman. Mr.
> Sandman was fast at an early stage, when very few (including Mr Sandman
> himself) had much seat time. BTW: when Barty was bragging about his
> improvements, and had passed David Powell on GPLrank, Barty bragged about
> it, teasing David. David's response was: "I don't care about being fast".
In
> your fight with Mr. Sandman you have mentioned you being number 10 in
> GPLrank, whereas him being 129th, using this as a proof of you being more
> talented/faster than him. Did you lie when you said you didn't care about
> speed, or are you lying now?

> I have met David on track. He is very easy to spot. You do not see him. He
> is probably way ahead. Then, he meets some lappers. That's when you
realize
> David Powell is in the race. He crashes out, trying to pass a lapper, then
> yells: "Fool!".

> David has beaten me on track. He scared me off track by having more seat
> time, and therefore more tactical skills. He would probably kick my butt
at
> any track at any time. He has always been faster than me. He has been
> GPL-ing longer than me.

> In this loooong posting, I have been addressing Mr Sandman as Mr Sandman,
> and David Powell as David Powell. Why? Figure it out for yourself. Keyword
> is: respect.

> David Powell may not be the fastest racer on earth, but he is having a
close
> battle with the only worthy competitor (SAVATS) for being the fastest,
> arrogant asshole in the world.

> Jon Andersen,
> with no respect

> "David Powell" <davidpow...@clara.co.uk> skrev i melding
> news:1028479389.28372.0@iris.uk.clara.net...
> > Also it is quite funny that of this
> http://home.snafu.de/xoph/sistandf1.html
> > list
> > and I will talk frankly...

> > Andreas Wilke - Top driver has done very well, super commited, has
monster
> > rank, mega monster rank, and quite possibly the best level of
consistancy
> > with all cars ive every seen a GPL driver. Took me a long time to reach
> > Andis speed, but his overall commitment far excels anything I could
reach
> > for. Andreas is the perfect sim racer IMO, he may not be the fastest,
but
> > hes very technical and offers the sport everything he has.

> > Marko Vitanen - Fast early on played in very late 2001 times, quick
> reliable
> > but never quite seemed to get where he going speed wise.

> > Fromel - Fast driver thesedays, and always has been.

> > U'Ren - Never made the grade once the GPL thing took off properly in
2000.

> > Krejcrik - Never that fast, seemed to fade away.

> > Nowitzki - Little know of this driver really, not over impressed with
what
> i
> > saw.

> > Huttu - During the 2000/early 2001, Huttu was the consumate champion,
> total
> > domination of everything, during the very peak of GPL online early
> > 2000/early 2001 Huttu was unstoppable, he grasp of GPL in every respect
> > dominated everyone. Masterful. Left us in early 2001.

> > Arnholm - Very quick early on in GPL 99/early 00, but then seemed to
fade
> > away as the new drivers got online.

> > Stewart - On the scene early on, took Greg a while to find the speed
till
> > about mid 2001...top driver, very level headed, good racer, stuck with
GPL
> > to the end and was a big player in the peak of GPL.

> > Ehnstrom - Quick at first, very talanted no doubt, but as with Geo
failed
> to
> > stay with GPL long enough nd play during the peak, therefor sadly for me
> as
> > with George was once good, but in the overall picture of GPL played his
> > cards to early. Top driver in the early days though.

> > Hannsson - WHO?

> > Longfield - Never raced against, average driver, not overly quick,
doesnt
> he
> > run an F2 league now.

> > etc etc

> > It is interesting looking at this early list and seeing maybe only
Gabor,
> > Huttu, Wilke, Phelps, Stewart as drivers that featured in the big times
on
> > GPL.

> > Add to this list Jon Davies, Lclean, Firlien, Royal, Mee, Wintrip,
> Marante,
> > Knops, Miskelly, Rosenwieg, Bolcina, Mercer, Prydden, Schmidt, Reinhold,
> > Gardewall, Weiland, Weoger, Hudevndiek, Kalisinik, Lake, Kleman Furlan,
> > Langraf, Junnilanen and sorry to all from the period i forgot. You have
> GPL
> > at its best, you notice Georges name doesnt come into my list of
respected
> > drivers as. From the time George was playing GPL there were virually no
> > drivers that made it, or stayed with GPL till the high times of
> > mid00/late01. 4 of this list have done very well for themselves...But
> thats
> > all part of the game...

> > Old Geo left before it all kicked off and some talent got on the scene,
I
> > and all the others in my list stuck with it and saw it done to its
demise,
> > GPL lost its bite for most in late 2001, since then its been hanging
> around
> > in VROC waiting for WSC/RL :)

> > As we hung around and played longer, that makes us better than George at
> > playing GPL this cannot be doubted, and afterall in competition playing
> the
> > game is how you compete. Ive only seriously played GPL and in my GPL
time
> > and my league racing/MOG/SRM/GPLWS/UKGPL/HGPLM/CHAMPS1-2 races Geo hasnt
> > been in any bar maybe 1-2, therefor for me and prolly alot of others
from
> > the late arrivals who enjoyed the fruits of GPL at its finest you dont
> > figure in the equation.

> > GPL was ten times more competitive in late 00/early01 that it was when i
> > arrived December 99. But sadly by this time Geo had flow the nest, so
> sadly
> > Geo is only as fast at GPL than his last setup of qual laps, which by
> modern
> > standards as slow as shit...

> > This is therefor why I dont rate you Geo at the sim I play....I dont
play
> > F12002 so I dont care whether your faster to be honest. I dearly hope
once
> > again with RL that everyone in my list, and those sadly departed before
> > there talents had fully fledged and hadnt had time to make an impact on
> GPL
> > in its finest era will get there chance on a level playing where
everyone
> > has amassed enough sim knowledge to be at or very near there top
ablilties
> > and from the off getting straight into racing like GPLs hayday. GPL in
the
> > early days was more about who learns fast, but as in Geo's case its not
> > always who learns fast who comes out on top, as to come out on Top at
the
> > finish of competition you have to been there to progress and make your
> mark
> > with the times. Trying to say your better than me at GPL cause you won a
> > season before 80% of the big names even discovered there was a game
called
> > GPL is mate, laughable....

> > If it were anyone in my list that I had built respect for racing wheel
to
> > wheel for the last 2years in full GP's etc i wouldnt be sat here
argueing
> > with you, as id know you were talented and Id have respect for you. Id
> have
> > raced with you during that period and know your limits, your proper
> talents.

> > I and all the all names on my list are miles better than you at GPL when
> it
> > came to the finishing line, you could have been this and that while
people
> > were discovering the game and learning to play it, but fact remains at
the
> > finishing post your name doesnt even enter any GPL god or icon
> convesations
> > unlike all those frequently named ones I list about.

> > Sorry chap youll have to wait for RL to prove to me your not just fast
of
> > the blocks...F12002 could offer this but sadly it seems the interest in
it
> > shown by VROC members since its release has all but dried out, and lets
> fact
> > it theres not much competition over there as with early days of GPL...

> > Theres a lot of drivers i have alot of respect for Geo, sadly mate your
> not
> > one of them :)

> >"EldredP" wrote...
> >> I'll even provide a server if there's a 'grudge match'...

> >Hmmm... depends on whether we can get Kruuse and Bjornstad to come out now
> >I've passed them on GPLRank. ;-)

>I'm konda on a simracing break as well, actually. I've moved again,
>this time to Singapore, and no longer have a PC. For some reason I
>ended up buying a mac this time around, so I guess Racer(TM) is the
>only racing sim I can run. Once I get any steering device, that is.

>--
>  -asbjxrn, going back to lurking mode.

> >I'm konda on a simracing break as well, actually. I've moved again,
> >this time to Singapore, and no longer have a PC. For some reason I
> >ended up buying a mac this time around, so I guess Racer(TM) is the
> >only racing sim I can run. Once I get any steering device, that is.

> >--
> >  -asbjxrn, going back to lurking mode.

> I'm on a simracing break as well.. met a girl, we're going to marry in
> June, after that it's time for kids.. but when my kids have grown-up
> I'll be back!!

> I'm on a simracing break as well.. met a girl, we're going to marry in
> June, after that it's time for kids.. but when my kids have grown-up
> I'll be back!!

> Andre

>wow, sounds like you're on the fast track to family life, mate,
>take it easy and (at least try to ;-) plan every step
>carefully. Kids are quite a handful to get used to if you've
>been single all this time ;-)

>Cheers & good Luck,

>Uwe

>I'm on a simracing break as well.. met a girl, we're going to marry in
>June, after that it's time for kids.. but when my kids have grown-up
>I'll be back!!

> I'm on a simracing break as well.. met a girl, we're going to marry in
> June, after that it's time for kids.. but when my kids have grown-up
> I'll be back!!

> "Asbj?rn Bj?rnstad" wrote...

> > I'm kinda on a simracing break as well, actually. I've
> > moved again, this time to Singapore, and no longer have
> > a PC.

> Eh, what exactly did you move to Singapore then? -Just yourself?

> >I'm konda on a simracing break as well, actually. I've moved again,
> >this time to Singapore, and no longer have a PC. For some reason I
> >ended up buying a mac this time around, so I guess Racer(TM) is the
> >only racing sim I can run. Once I get any steering device, that is.

> >--
> >  -asbjxrn, going back to lurking mode.

> I'm on a simracing break as well.. met a girl, we're going to marry in
> June, after that it's time for kids.. but when my kids have grown-up
> I'll be back!!

> Andre