adjust online. What I try to do offline is make the car just a tick tight,
but one I am fairly sure is good on tire wear. So when I get online it is
good. Another thing, weather is making a big difference in cars. So..... a
car that is good at one temp, could be way off at another temp.
The difference is that the car is looser online vs. offline. I am trying to
make the cars really balanced and when they go from balanced to loose it can
make the car spin. Not just a feeling of "loose".
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> Thanks, Bill. I think I've come to the same conclusion (as I probably did
> back in the TEN days....if I recall now). Make two different setups for
> online, offline.
> Do you start with your offline and adjust.....or do you start with the
same
> base setup online......that you started with (base setup) offline? I
guess
> there would be a difference at what you would arrive at...given variable
> choices to fix the same handling anomaly....huh?
> By the way, a couple questions were asked about weather settings.....they
> were both "fixed" at 70 degrees.
> And....a little more detail about the difference might be helpful:
> **Offline: The setup was very neutral and hooked up coming off
> T-2......quick and neutral at all other roll-throughs. When running
> extended laps.....the setup would start to get "free" off T-2 (about 6
laps
> or so), then "loose".....then "wham...wall time" off T-2....after about
> 20-25 laps of it first starting to "free" off the turn.
> **Online: The setup (same one) pushed off T-2 (after tires came to
> temps)....unless extreme care was given to the throttle-on point in the
> apex. It was bad enough that had I the capability to adjust it....I would
> have (it was a "fixed setup race"). After about 10 to 12 laps....it went
> "neutral" off T-2...then followed the same character curve as the offline
> version...pretty much. We ran three separate races (same length).....so
in
> Race #2 and #3, I adjusted my line for the first 10-12 laps (took T-1 and
> T-2 up a lane)...and this helped a lot. I was able to bring it down on
the
> yellow for the middle run.....and was faster than all but one driver (who
I
> suspect followed my "driving style adjustment"). In Race #3 most of the
> other guys figured it out....we were all pretty equal for the whole run.
> We took care to make sure all possible variables were accounted for (same
> weather, no mistakes on the setup selection by the host....etc.).
> This "evidence".....as circumstantial as it is.....seems to counter some
> others who indicate the online setup "twin" is loose...compared to the
> offline version. But, maybe it doesn't....?
> What is clear to me is that if you are going to practice and prepare for
> online race events....you'd better do so - online!
> It was great to hear from you again, Bill. Thanks for posting.
> Regards,
> Tom
> "Bill Bollinger" <teambricky...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:3cb4a3dd$1@news.mhogaming.com...
> > The car online is looser than a car offline. It isn't an easy fix
either.
> > I can't just lower a RR track bar, RR Spring etc... It isn't WAAAAAAY
> off,
> > but it is enough difference to make an offline stable car, "loop it"
> online.
> > My online fix is to make setups online (for online racing)
> > Bill / Amish on Team Brickyard
> > www.iracingfx.com
> > "Tom Pabst" <tmpa...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > news:GtWs8.200066$ZR2.102093@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
> > > Wow......now that you guys are saying this....I remember this being an
> > > "issue" way back in the TEN days. I had forgotten that. I also guess
I
> > > thought that we had moved passed that era. Guess not.
> > > Next question then....has anyone figured out the correlation between
the
> > > "variance" of the online and offline setup. In other words, is it
> > > consistent: Will a neutral exit setup then push....or be
> > > tight....consistently to the same degree. Is there a
> > correlation/consistent
> > > variance? Has anyone done a study? If there is, then it negates the
> > > problem......simply requiring one to have an online/offline setup
> > adjustment
> > > (or create two sets of the same setup).
> > > I'd also be curious as to the *correct* explanation for why this
> happens?
> > > But....just curious.
> > > Tom
> > > "Tom Pabst" <tmpa...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > > news:OhPs8.248915$702.46792@sccrnsc02...
> > > > Biz...
> > > > Thanks for the info. I thought that's the way it worked as well.
But
> > > > something's amiss with that idea if you can load the "fixed" setup
for
> > > > "fast".....online...and it behaves dramatically different than the
> > "fast"
> > > > offline setup. I did this the other night...on my own server so I
> could
> > > > control the practice session.....set weather and so forth. The
online
> > > > version of "fast" was nearly a second slower at Texas than the
offline
> > > > version...which was not only faster but much more stable exiting the
> > > turns.
> > > > I could hold the car on the bottom easier.....exit with an earlier
> > > > throttle....you name it. I checked to make sure I had not missed
> > > something
> > > > stupid like two different track/weather settings....they were the
> same.
> > I
> > > > assumed that my "understanding" of how the fixed setups worked in
> online
> > > > N2K2 was incorrect. The behavior of the car was substantially
> different
> > > > between the two setups.
> > > > Tom
> > > > "Biz" <nos...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:C9Ps8.20787$QC1.1262053@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > > > > From what I understand, the fixed setup is chosen as a setup
during
> > the
> > > > host's configuration of the
> > > > > race. So it can be any setup the host chooses from his server
> setups.
> > > If
> > > > the host is not using the
> > > > > one of the default setups, you are at their mercy as this is the
> setup
> > > > that is downlaoded for that
> > > > > race to your machine.
> > > > > --
> > > > > Biz
> > > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't
> understand
> > > > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
> > > structures,....and
> > > > > the....." - Ash
> > > > > Tom Pabst <tmpa...@attbi.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:GBOs8.198138$ZR2.103176@rwcrnsc52.ops.asp.att.net...
> > > > > > Could somebody running in N2K2 leagues shed some light on these
> > setups
> > > > for
> > > > > > me(us)?
> > > > > > At first, I thought the selection of "Fast, Intermediate and
Easy"
> > for
> > > > the
> > > > > > Fixed setups (Race Host selection screen) would choose setups
the
> > same
> > > > as
> > > > > > those offered as the "default" offline setups of the same
> > > nomenclature.
> > > > I
> > > > > > don't think they are....since they don't seem to behave the
> > > > same...although
> > > > > > I have only "tested" a couple of these. Are they the same?
> > > > > > If not.....is there a place where the online "fixed" setups can
be
> > > > > > downloaded so one can test with them...without having to race
> online
> > > or
> > > > find
> > > > > > races with fixed setups...and the right track (you want to test
> on)?
> > > Or
> > > > sit
> > > > > > online and copy each setup to a yellow-pad by hand! That can be
> > > > tedious.
> > > > > > Of the three choices....which seem to be the best for stability
> and
> > > > > > competitive speeds....for novice to intermediate sim drivers?
> > > > > > "Mucho gracias"....in advance....for the information.
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Tom
