Thanks, Bill. I think I've come to the same conclusion (as I probably did
back in the TEN days....if I recall now). Make two different setups for
online, offline.
Do you start with your offline and adjust.....or do you start with the same
base setup online......that you started with (base setup) offline? I guess
there would be a difference at what you would arrive at...given variable
choices to fix the same handling anomaly....huh?
By the way, a couple questions were asked about weather settings.....they
were both "fixed" at 70 degrees.
And....a little more detail about the difference might be helpful:
**Offline: The setup was very neutral and hooked up coming off
T-2......quick and neutral at all other roll-throughs. When running
extended laps.....the setup would start to get "free" off T-2 (about 6 laps
or so), then "loose".....then "wham...wall time" off T-2....after about
20-25 laps of it first starting to "free" off the turn.
**Online: The setup (same one) pushed off T-2 (after tires came to
temps)....unless extreme care was given to the throttle-on point in the
apex. It was bad enough that had I the capability to adjust it....I would
have (it was a "fixed setup race"). After about 10 to 12 laps....it went
"neutral" off T-2...then followed the same character curve as the offline
version...pretty much. We ran three separate races (same length).....so in
Race #2 and #3, I adjusted my line for the first 10-12 laps (took T-1 and
T-2 up a lane)...and this helped a lot. I was able to bring it down on the
yellow for the middle run.....and was faster than all but one driver (who I
suspect followed my "driving style adjustment"). In Race #3 most of the
other guys figured it out....we were all pretty equal for the whole run.
We took care to make sure all possible variables were accounted for (same
weather, no mistakes on the setup selection by the host....etc.).
This "evidence".....as circumstantial as it is.....seems to counter some
others who indicate the online setup "twin" is loose...compared to the
offline version. But, maybe it doesn't....?
What is clear to me is that if you are going to practice and prepare for
online race events....you'd better do so - online!
It was great to hear from you again, Bill. Thanks for posting.
Regards,
Tom
> The car online is looser than a car offline. It isn't an easy fix either.
> I can't just lower a RR track bar, RR Spring etc... It isn't WAAAAAAY
off,
> but it is enough difference to make an offline stable car, "loop it"
online.
> My online fix is to make setups online (for online racing)
> Bill / Amish on Team Brickyard
> www.iracingfx.com
> > Wow......now that you guys are saying this....I remember this being an
> > "issue" way back in the TEN days. I had forgotten that. I also guess I
> > thought that we had moved passed that era. Guess not.
> > Next question then....has anyone figured out the correlation between the
> > "variance" of the online and offline setup. In other words, is it
> > consistent: Will a neutral exit setup then push....or be
> > tight....consistently to the same degree. Is there a
> correlation/consistent
> > variance? Has anyone done a study? If there is, then it negates the
> > problem......simply requiring one to have an online/offline setup
> adjustment
> > (or create two sets of the same setup).
> > I'd also be curious as to the *correct* explanation for why this
happens?
> > But....just curious.
> > Tom
> > > Biz...
> > > Thanks for the info. I thought that's the way it worked as well. But
> > > something's amiss with that idea if you can load the "fixed" setup for
> > > "fast".....online...and it behaves dramatically different than the
> "fast"
> > > offline setup. I did this the other night...on my own server so I
could
> > > control the practice session.....set weather and so forth. The online
> > > version of "fast" was nearly a second slower at Texas than the offline
> > > version...which was not only faster but much more stable exiting the
> > turns.
> > > I could hold the car on the bottom easier.....exit with an earlier
> > > throttle....you name it. I checked to make sure I had not missed
> > something
> > > stupid like two different track/weather settings....they were the
same.
> I
> > > assumed that my "understanding" of how the fixed setups worked in
online
> > > N2K2 was incorrect. The behavior of the car was substantially
different
> > > between the two setups.
> > > Tom
> > > > From what I understand, the fixed setup is chosen as a setup during
> the
> > > host's configuration of the
> > > > race. So it can be any setup the host chooses from his server
setups.
> > If
> > > the host is not using the
> > > > one of the default setups, you are at their mercy as this is the
setup
> > > that is downlaoded for that
> > > > race to your machine.
> > > > --
> > > > Biz
> > > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't
understand
> > > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
> > structures,....and
> > > > the....." - Ash
> > > > > Could somebody running in N2K2 leagues shed some light on these
> setups
> > > for
> > > > > me(us)?
> > > > > At first, I thought the selection of "Fast, Intermediate and Easy"
> for
> > > the
> > > > > Fixed setups (Race Host selection screen) would choose setups the
> same
> > > as
> > > > > those offered as the "default" offline setups of the same
> > nomenclature.
> > > I
> > > > > don't think they are....since they don't seem to behave the
> > > same...although
> > > > > I have only "tested" a couple of these. Are they the same?
> > > > > If not.....is there a place where the online "fixed" setups can be
> > > > > downloaded so one can test with them...without having to race
online
> > or
> > > find
> > > > > races with fixed setups...and the right track (you want to test
on)?
> > Or
> > > sit
> > > > > online and copy each setup to a yellow-pad by hand! That can be
> > > tedious.
> > > > > Of the three choices....which seem to be the best for stability
and
> > > > > competitive speeds....for novice to intermediate sim drivers?
> > > > > "Mucho gracias"....in advance....for the information.
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > Tom
