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OT: Bizarre 64-Bit Processor Story

Larr

OT: Bizarre 64-Bit Processor Story

by Larr » Sun, 22 Feb 2004 06:12:39

You know, a few years ago I used to admire Tom's Hardware's web site, but
these guys just get stranger and stranger every day.

This is one of the most obnoxioius stories I've ever read:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

-Larry

Schoone

OT: Bizarre 64-Bit Processor Story

by Schoone » Sun, 22 Feb 2004 06:50:01

Ya pretty sad.  They certainly hate AMD.


Andre

OT: Bizarre 64-Bit Processor Story

by Andre » Sun, 22 Feb 2004 07:33:32


>You know, a few years ago I used to admire Tom's Hardware's web site, but
>these guys just get stranger and stranger every day.

>This is one of the most obnoxioius stories I've ever read:

That is appaling. Intel are definitely playing catch up with AMD right
now and Tom is still spouting ***like that.
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Ruud Dingeman

OT: Bizarre 64-Bit Processor Story

by Ruud Dingeman » Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:00:50


> these guys just get stranger and stranger every day.

> This is one of the most obnoxioius stories I've ever read:

> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

Yeah, well...   Who cares about those Repentium clones anyway?

... G5 is where the 64-bit action is   ;)

(No Intel or AMD CPU-powered machine beat ***iatech's 'Big Mac' G5
supercomputer on the Super rank - and that one has FEWER CPU's than
those ranked below and it wasn't even running real optimised code!   Now
that's something to think about, eh  ;)

Regards, Rudy
(GPLRank -21)

Andre

OT: Bizarre 64-Bit Processor Story

by Andre » Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:24:34



Talking about cluster with 11,000 CPU's isn't exactly relevent to this
discussion.
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Jason Moy

OT: Bizarre 64-Bit Processor Story

by Jason Moy » Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:20:40


>You know, a few years ago I used to admire Tom's Hardware's web site

I have no idea why.  You're much better off reading a site like
anandtech where the reviews tend to be objective and aren't blatantly
wriitten by hacks.

Speaking of 64-bit, I just bought an Athlon 64 3200+ and it's great.
It also kills any Intel chip currently available, based on Tom's own
*** benchmarks from a few weeks ago.  I have no idea how anyone can
view AMD's move to 64-bit architecture as a bad thing when Apple, Sun,
IBM, HP, SGI, and Compaq have sold 64-bit systems for years.

I sometimes wonder if there isn't a gene that evolution somehow
isolated in north america which causes everyone to fear any sort of
technological advancement (or change in general, but that's a larger
issue).

Jason

Tim

OT: Bizarre 64-Bit Processor Story

by Tim » Sun, 22 Feb 2004 20:16:14



Yea, when I saw the authors name, I remember thinking how North
American it sounded.

Ronald Stoeh

OT: Bizarre 64-Bit Processor Story

by Ronald Stoeh » Sun, 22 Feb 2004 21:56:34




>>I sometimes wonder if there isn't a gene that evolution somehow
>>isolated in north america which causes everyone to fear any sort of
>>technological advancement (or change in general, but that's a larger
>>issue).

> Yea, when I saw the authors name, I remember thinking how North
> American it sounded.

So, what does a North American name sound like, maybe Sitting Bull?

How can you stand living among all those people with funny sounding
names...?

l8er
ronny

Jason Moy

OT: Bizarre 64-Bit Processor Story

by Jason Moy » Mon, 23 Feb 2004 00:07:51



I didn't realize North America had a lot of unique names.

Being from this continent I intended that as a jab at myself as well,
but I guess I forgot to mention that.

Jason

Nic

OT: Bizarre 64-Bit Processor Story

by Nic » Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:06:38

I don't know much about 64-bit stuff, but I have a P4 1800 and an
Athlon 1800, so I feel relatively well placed to offer my opinion, and
I won't be getting another AMD machine for a long, long time...
Andre

OT: Bizarre 64-Bit Processor Story

by Andre » Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:19:11


Feel free to share your other views on any other subjects you know
nothing about.
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Larr

OT: Bizarre 64-Bit Processor Story

by Larr » Tue, 24 Feb 2004 01:26:17

The AMD experience is greatly dependent on the Chipset you are using.

My early experiences sucked, and that was mainly due to the VIA Chipset.

Then, the ABIT KG7, with the AMD chipset came out, and I was extremely
pleased.

The next time I wanted to upgrade, there was no AMD chipset available, so I
went back to Intel with an IT7-Max2, with a P4 2.53Ghz.  That is my current
machine, and I've been quite pleased with it too.

It's NOT the processor.  It's the Chipset and Motherboard that defines the
experience.

I am not in the least impressed with the new P4 Prescott Processors.  Intel
has gone back to the old game by lengthening the pipelines, which hinders
performance, just for the sake of opening up for future higher clock speeds.
They had to DOUBLE the cache just so the Prescott could match the
performance of the current P4's.

Not to mention the damned things run HOT.

So, my next upgrade may be an Athlon 64 3400.  Or it may just be a Northwood
P4 at 3.2.  I'd like to have a P4 3.2 extreeme, but at $1000 Intel is out of
their minds.  $600 more money  for what amounts to an extra 1MB of Cache is
outright thievery.

The choice of an Athlon 64 3400 may well be the choice simply because it's
the least offending to the mind.

That choice, of course, will depend on what Motherboards/chipsets will be
available.  If VIA is the only thing there is, it's going to take a hell of
a lot of convincing by people smarter than me that it's stable and
trouble-free.

-Larry


Jason Moy

OT: Bizarre 64-Bit Processor Story

by Jason Moy » Tue, 24 Feb 2004 03:01:15


>The choice of an Athlon 64 3400 may well be the choice simply because it's
>the least offending to the mind.

>That choice, of course, will depend on what Motherboards/chipsets will be
>available.  If VIA is the only thing there is, it's going to take a hell of
>a lot of convincing by people smarter than me that it's stable and
>trouble-free.

I have an AMD 64 3200+ and the best mobo out for it is probably the
VIA based Asus K8V Deluxe.  I dunno, I can't imagine being happier
with a PC purchase.  It runs incredibly cool (well under 100F) and is
totally stable with my Radeon 9800 Pro.

Jason

Mitch_

OT: Bizarre 64-Bit Processor Story

by Mitch_ » Tue, 24 Feb 2004 03:09:42

Im still stinging from my Pentium 60 purchase.  I think Ill wait for gen2
:-)



> >The choice of an Athlon 64 3400 may well be the choice simply because
it's
> >the least offending to the mind.

> >That choice, of course, will depend on what Motherboards/chipsets will be
> >available.  If VIA is the only thing there is, it's going to take a hell
of
> >a lot of convincing by people smarter than me that it's stable and
> >trouble-free.

> I have an AMD 64 3200+ and the best mobo out for it is probably the
> VIA based Asus K8V Deluxe.  I dunno, I can't imagine being happier
> with a PC purchase.  It runs incredibly cool (well under 100F) and is
> totally stable with my Radeon 9800 Pro.

> Jason

Goy Larse

OT: Bizarre 64-Bit Processor Story

by Goy Larse » Tue, 24 Feb 2004 04:48:29


> So, my next upgrade may be an Athlon 64 3400.  Or it may just be a Northwood
> P4 at 3.2.  

The 3.2 OC's very nicely btw, I didn't expect it to OC as well as the
2.8, and it doesn't, but it comes fairly close, my 2.8 ran at 3.4 and
the 3.2 runs at 3.7, both with little more than stock cooling :-D

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
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