rec.autos.simulators

Actually, being 1100 G5 Macs, it can't have been more than about 2200
CPU's.

More to the point though, it used that number while slower Intel-based
supers with MORE cpu's were s...l...o...w...e...r     ;)       ...and it
wasn't even using an optimised operating system, since Panther is still
only 32-bit and although Unix-based, it's not a real specialised
Super-OS either..

Not that this makes "the Mac is the better machine" btw, it's just
testimony of IBM's more than competitive engineering; after all, they
make the CPU's.  In the 64-bit world, there's actually more to choose
from than just Repentium clones   :)

Regards, Rudy
(GPLRank -21)

Of course there is, but they are usually much more expensive and don't
run x86 software natively, which is where the 64bit AMD comes into its
own as it can run 32bit code very well.
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True, but if the software itself is OK there's no real NEED to run x86
software natively.

After all, suppose you want a machine that runs MS-Office, NR2003,
Unix/X11 programs and Mac software thrown in as a bonus.

You can do all that on an OS X machine these days (with a 64-bit
Intel-beater as an add-on  ;).

Come to think of it, I guess it's the only kind of machine where you can
run both MS-Office and Unix programs natively.

AFAIK the G5 is just as good at running 32-bit software on a 64-bitter
as the AMD, so using NR2003 is no bother either.  Personally, I only
tried NR2002 but at 2 GHz it ran like.. well, wildfire  ;)     Not too
surprising though since Apple's G5's use Dual CPU's, except the low-end
model.

Regards, Rudy
(GPLRank -21)

It'll be a cold day in hell before I would ever purchase anything from the
over-priced, over-hyped, ultra propietary Apple Computer.  If S.Jobs had
half a brain he'd forget the proprietary hardware and focus on the OS for
X86.

Mitch

Unique, no. Common? Absolutely.
If we can guide this away from the perilous edge of Political
Correctness, all you need is a phone book.
Look up the last names Smith, Johnson, Williams, Jones and Brown.
Now look up Rahmat. There are about 600,000 people in my county. There
are 4 pages of Smiths and Johnsons, but there are no Rahmats.

As far your North American technophobe comments, I only wish you were
correct. Perhaps then I wouldn't have to endure an endless stream of
rude people prodding PDA's and yelling into picture taking, video game
playing cell phones every time I try to enjoy a meal and beer in a
restaurant.

On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:56:34 +0100, Ronald Stoehr

Perhaps you should ask yourself, since I didn't say it was funny
sounding.

CPU chip comparisons alone say nothing. The motherboard and it's chipsets
are where the *** meets the road.

I've been building AMDs since I got my first AMD 486DX2/66 chip in the early
1990s to replace a crapped out Wintel chip and haven't looked back.

My current system smokes (not literally, actually runs quite cool) is based
on a 2800+ AMD with a nice A7N8X deulxe mobo with an apparently decent
Nvidia chipset on it.

Of course you also said "won't be getting another AMD machine" which means
you don't build your own. We know what that means, Dude, you're getting
another stale old, hard to upgrade, obsolete before you ever receive it,
Dell.. LOL! In that case, go right ahead. You're getting exactly what you're
paying such low bucks for...

Actually, I didn't expect for every single word of my post to be
analysed in that much detail, but yes I do build my own. I used to
because of the massive savings you could make, but nowadays that
doesn't seem to be the case. All I know is the AMD 1800 (which runs
at, uhh, let me try to remember... 1.53Ghz?) is a hefty chunk worse
than the P4 1800 (which actually runs at 1.8Ghz, even though Ghz
ratings are meaningless in the CISC world). And they've both had the
same graphics card too, because I bought a GeForce FX and took the
opportunity to test my old card in both machines.

I know saying "I'll buy Intel" is like saying "I'll buy Microsoft" or
"I'll support ManYoo" or "I love the Yankees", but in my experience,
even dating back to the K6-2s and the race to 1Ghz, I've always
thought Intel were better. Their philosophy of testing each chip after
manufacture and branding the speed as a result stuck better with me
than AMD's 'we'll get to 1Ghz first by slapping a massive heatsink on
a 800Mhz processor and overclocking the ***out of it. Who cares if
people need to buy more powerful PSUs just to get the thing to
run...?'

<PUTS FLAME SUIT ON>

I thought that's why the internet existed ;-)

Anyway, not knowing much about 64-bit chipset battles doesn't mean I
can't comment on what is sitting on my desk.

Nick

...

<tongue in cheek mode ON> ;)

The thing is, you probably didn't want that initial comment to be
interpreted in as limited a way as it needs to be interpreted (unless
you wanted to say something like 'well my experience with an old
outdated Athlon system which perhaps wasn't configured so well and of
course doesn't mean anything for anyone intending to buy a system today,
wasn't as good as what I saw from my P4 system which perhaps was
configured with more luck (and money?)')... ;)

Since hence your initial comment, if read the way it should be read,
didn't say much relevant for the discussion, one could assume that you
intended it to imply something that it cannot imply ...and Andrew may
not have been entirely wrong :)

<tongue in cheek mode OFF>

Please read all of the above with a lot of ' ;) ;) ' - I have no
intention to start a flamewar or anything :)

That said, my experiences with the Athlons are mixed. The first one I
got working only after getting inofficial BIOS upgrades for the mobo.
And it wasn't entirely free of little problems, mainly due to the fact
probably that all the hardware/software makers didn't know these systems
very well yet and were still learning the technology.

Since then I've stuck to Athlons as they give better bang for the buck,
and have mainly been happy with them, although not all Athlons were
equally good. There were models and chipsets which were less good, and
the 1800 for me personally was one of those (which chipset are you using
with it?).

Right now I'm using an XP3200 on an A7N8X which is an excellent system.
I'll get an Athlon 64 3700 as soon as the socket 939 is released, again
because of the better bang for the buck.

(And yes, obviously I'm having too much leisure time at hand today <g>)

Achim

That was my point, most anti AMD posts are by people who used a K6
years ago, or an Athlon on a crappy mobo, and then think they can
generalise about every past and future AMD system and think the sun
shines out of Intel's corporate butt, ignoring the fact that there are
just as many ***Intel based mobos as there are AMD based ones.

Like you I am using the NForce 2 based A7N8X, and the system works
great.
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I usually try to avoid being anyone's fanboy, but soberly weigh my
options and put my money where I get most for it.

But apart from the fact that the modern AMD systems are as compatible
and stable as Intels, their second huge value to the community is that
they're the only ones putting up anything resembling a competition to
Intel. And competition is not just the icing on the cake for us end
users, it's an essential component for progress - and especially for
affordable progress.

Achim

Some of us just don't like AMD period.

I dont do AMD for the same reason I don't do Hyundai.  Yea it's a way
cheaper car, still runs 65 as good as any car, but it's a fn Hyundai....

If you want a Hyundai fine, just don't tell me that I should buy one too :-)

Mitch

What a ludicrous comparison. Maybe there should be a new Intel case
badge "F***wit Outside*.
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..l..

Go *** yourself you ***ing dipshit.

PLONK