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Linux, a great platform for racing simulators...

David Ript

Linux, a great platform for racing simulators...

by David Ript » Sat, 27 Feb 1999 04:00:00



>Actually,  Linux has such a relatively configurable kernel, that it
>does *not* force you into anything at all.  If you want to run a lean
>OS, you can hack the kernel to do *only* what you wish, and nothing
>more.  This is exactly one reason that Linux could 'win'.  It has the
>ability to be all OSes to all people.

>Now, I'm no Linux guru.  To be sure, I've only played with it, and
>couldn't hack the kernel to save my life.  But I can easily see the
>potential.  The point is that the kernel *can* be hacked.  

Hacking the kernel is hard.  Rebuilding your kernel to only include
the stuff you need is easy.  Read the Kernel HOWTO, and use "make
xconfig" for the most user-friendly interface.

Recent Linux kernels are modular, meaning that features that aren't
needed all the time can be loaded on demand.  If you only use your
sound card and 3D acceleration and wheel drivers when playing GPL,
they should only be loaded then.  (Of course, the reality is that
few video cards have 3D drivers under Linux, and wheels that aren't
just plain old analog joysticks aren't supported.  There's a chicken-
egg problem that games won't be ported until the driver support for
the hardware they need is there and vice-versa.  But the tide is
moving in the right direction.  Creative Labs, for example, has
actually hired someone to write Linux drivers for their video and
sound cards.)

Linux is already the best overall Unix, and it's improving while the
rest are standing still.  I expect the non-Open-Source Unix vendors
to start hurting over the next couple of years, with the exception
of those who do something Linux doesn't (like realtime) or those who
make a lot of money selling hardware (like Sun)   MS will take a
while longer.  The turning point will come when Linux is easy enough
to use that computer vendors start including it rather than Windows
9x with most machines.  (As computer prices fall, the cost of that
bundled copy of Windows becomes more and more significant.)

If you want to see more games for Linux, buy games that have
Linux versions (like the upcoming Quake 3 and Civ: CTP) and return
the comment cards / online registration forms for all the games
you buy so the game company marketeers see your opinion.

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Daxe Rexfor

Linux, a great platform for racing simulators...

by Daxe Rexfor » Sat, 27 Feb 1999 04:00:00



>> Anecdotal successes don't mean squat, either, so please don't bother
using
>> them as a defense.  Look at the whole reality, human nature and the
modern
>> marketplace included, and you will see that there is no possibility Linux
>> will ever be substantially more than what it is.

>But it has been "more than what it is" for the last five years, since the
number
>of users has doubled every year. Are you saying that this expansion will
>suddenly stop?

Yes.  When it runs into the mainstream market where it's growth will stop
dead.  Its popularity is growing in areas where it is understood and can be
put to good use.

For an analogy: Lots of autoX / road racing folks are suddenly buying BF
Goodrich G-Force tires for their cars, but I really don't think The G-force
tires are going to become the #1 tire in popularity on all cars.

daxe

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Christer Andersso

Linux, a great platform for racing simulators...

by Christer Andersso » Sun, 28 Feb 1999 04:00:00

Just take the next step :o).

/Christer



> >Oracle, the worlds largest database developer has it's latest database
> version
> >available for Linux, how's that for "Nobody is going to port or write
> software
> >for Linux unless there is money in it". Could it be that Oracle sees money
> in it
> >:o)?

> And how many computer users use Oracle at home?  Network professionals will
> certainly embrace it, but you are deviating from the concept of 'mainstream'
> use that is necessary for Linux to unseat Windows.

> daxe

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Christer Andersso

Linux, a great platform for racing simulators...

by Christer Andersso » Sun, 28 Feb 1999 04:00:00


> Anecdotal successes don't mean squat, either, so please don't bother using
> them as a defense.  Look at the whole reality, human nature and the modern
> marketplace included, and you will see that there is no possibility Linux
> will ever be substantially more than what it is.

But it has been "more than what it is" for the last five years, since the number
of users has doubled every year. Are you saying that this expansion will
suddenly stop?

/Christer, cant see the whole picture cause I'm only human :o)

Ronald Stoe

Linux, a great platform for racing simulators...

by Ronald Stoe » Sun, 28 Feb 1999 04:00:00


snip

> There's another one nearly as nice:

>         "This is Linux country. On a quiet night, you can hear
>          Windows NT reboot." ;-)

Cool, another one for my growing "Cool Signature Database"(tm)...

Thinking about it I just invented another one:

"What to do when you break your PCs reset button?"
"Well, now you HAVE to install Linux..."

l8er
ronny

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Christer Andersso

Linux, a great platform for racing simulators...

by Christer Andersso » Sun, 28 Feb 1999 04:00:00

The world isn't black and white. There is no such thing as a mainstream and not
a mainstream, but a great big grey area in the middle. I believe that the more
user friendly Linux becomes, the more users in the grey area will start to use
it.

Suppose this "plug and pray" thingy isn't such a good idea, but instead you get
a CD-Rom with a setup program included with every thing you connect to the
mainboard of your computer. Is that such a big difference from todays "plug and
pray", where you still get questions from the computer where the drivers are
located.

Here's a scenario. Nowadays there's no reason to NOT run an Oracle database on a
Linux. There's also already a lot of server applications (CORBA servers) written
in 100% pure Java and I see no reason to why not more of them will be run on
Linux, when they see that the database runs fine on it. Now you have the
developers of the Java code which makes up the CORBA server starting to want a
dual boot on their NT workstation, so they can have Linux on their local
machines to more effectively test and develop their code. They start to run
their web-browser and mail-clients on Linux and only reboot to write a word
document now and a again. Soon they would probably like to write all technical
document in either html or xml, so they dont have to switch to NT at all during
their working day. Already at this time all the file servers, web-servers and
mail-servers in the company are running on Linux. This is a couple of years into
the future, but it isn't really that hard to imagine, or is it :o).

Now, just take the next step :o).

/Christer




> >> Anecdotal successes don't mean squat, either, so please don't bother
> using
> >> them as a defense.  Look at the whole reality, human nature and the
> modern
> >> marketplace included, and you will see that there is no possibility Linux
> >> will ever be substantially more than what it is.

> >But it has been "more than what it is" for the last five years, since the
> number
> >of users has doubled every year. Are you saying that this expansion will
> >suddenly stop?

> Yes.  When it runs into the mainstream market where it's growth will stop
> dead.  Its popularity is growing in areas where it is understood and can be
> put to good use.

> For an analogy: Lots of autoX / road racing folks are suddenly buying BF
> Goodrich G-Force tires for their cars, but I really don't think The G-force
> tires are going to become the #1 tire in popularity on all cars.

> daxe

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Daxe Rexfor

Linux, a great platform for racing simulators...

by Daxe Rexfor » Sun, 28 Feb 1999 04:00:00


>The world isn't black and white. There is no such thing as a mainstream and
not
>a mainstream, but a great big grey area in the middle. I believe that the
more
>user friendly Linux becomes, the more users in the grey area will start to
use
>it.

You can't step out of the little world you live in and see that the HUGE
VAST ENORMOUS COLOSSAL majority of computer users don't run webservers or
mailservers or databases or develop Java code (or any other kind)?

Mainstream users, the rank and file home computer users, don't do this stuff
and have no connection to this scenario, so Linux' proliferation in this
corner of the market isn't going to affect what they run at home on their
desktops.

*Sigh*.  And tell me, please, why CD-ROMs are going to start coming with all
this cool stuff when there is no profit in it for anyone to bother making
the effort to include any of it?  People could make money doing this now and
they don't.  There is something called 'economic reality'.  People who have
spent their entire lives in school tend to run on unrealistic ideals and
ignore that fact that nothing is going to succeed in this world unless it
plays a role in the world economy.

"Hi, I'm John Q. Homecomputeruser.  What the hell is an Oracle database and
why do I need to know or care about it?  Do I need to understand this?  No?
Well then why are you bothering me with it?"

Me neither.  I guess my Mother-in-law is going to be able to get on AOL
better because of that, huh?  If not, then it doesn't matter to her or the
10,000,000 other customers of AOL.  Are there 10,000,000 CORBA server
administators in the world?

I have news for you.  Despite what your surroundings have apparently led you
to believe, the world is not full of programmers.

Nope.  And none of it has ANYTHING to do with home computer users who make
up the most populated and cash-fluent segment of the market, the one that
Windows has near complete control of, and the one where Linux has NO CHANCE
of making a meaningful dent.

I know it's impossible for you to understand, but millions and millions and
millions of people run Windows and are perfectly, blissfully happy with it.
They have no incentive to change to something else, no matter how much
better you feel it is, and no matter how many developers and network
professionals adopt it and think Bill Gates is the Antichrist.  Until a
MAJORITY of those people switch to LINUX, there is no incentive for
companies to begin porting their software _en masse_ to that platform.
Without the software support, people aren't going to switch.

Read that paragraph a couple times and see if you can grasp what I have been
saying. The arguments you offer have nothing to do with what I am talking
about and you haven't answered any of my questions, either.

:o)

daxe

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Christer Andersso

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by Christer Andersso » Tue, 02 Mar 1999 04:00:00

I have now stepped out of my little world and I now suddenly realize how right
you are and how wrong I am :o). Thank you for providing the light and I'm sorry
if I have upset you with my stupidity :o).

I will also try to further educate myself in business economics, to decrease the
possibility of me making a fool of myself in this area.

/Christer, will try to be more careful about what I think about the future and
see too it that I have all the facts before I do so in the future :o)

Daxe Rexfor

Linux, a great platform for racing simulators...

by Daxe Rexfor » Tue, 02 Mar 1999 04:00:00


>I have now stepped out of my little world and I now suddenly realize how
right
>you are and how wrong I am :o). Thank you for providing the light and I'm
sorry
>if I have upset you with my stupidity :o).

>I will also try to further educate myself in business economics, to
decrease the
>possibility of me making a fool of myself in this area.

>/Christer, will try to be more careful about what I think about the future
and
>see too it that I have all the facts before I do so in the future :o)

Well..

    I am glad you have finally come to your senses and realize that I know
everything and am always right.  That said, keep fighting the good fight and
don't let any blustery know-it-alls get you down, they are all full of poop.

;o)

daxe   (smugly savoring his obvious superiority)

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