Chuckle.
> No doubt that Apple won over a reasonable number of *new* users with their
> "ease of use" pitch.
> But I'd be really surprised if there has been any significant migration of
> existing users from Windows to Mac. I'll venture a guess that there is a
> substantially larger number of users that have migrated from Mac to Win than
> from Win to Mac. And my guess is that that migration trend is driven by
> software availability and other economic considerations.
> So I don't see how Linux has a prayer. I'm a developer myself and, though we
> know they exist, I've not met anyone that's writing for Linux.
l8er
ronny
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I'm not saying it will happens this year, this sort of thing takes time,
but eventually MS will loose. Nobody wants to be forced into using one
specific product and this is exactly what MS is doing. That's also why I
believe that Linux will not 'win'. Over time there will be several OS's,
all with their strong and weak points. Only one of them will be most
suitable for ***. Wich one it is... who can tell? It might not even
exist yet, but I'm certain it won't be Windows!
// Johan
> When developers are required to respond to consumer demands, they are going
> to want money. As soon as money comes into the picture, you will lose the
> 'everybody pitching in to make it great' concept that makes Linux what it is
> and it will become another commercial endeavour, subject to the same rules
> as any other.
Oh, come on, Ronny. If that's the case, you're *substantially* more
selective than I am! <g>
I love you sig, by the way, but isn't it a bit of a bias indicator?
Regards,
Jack
I don't think this will happen. While the absolute number of Linux users may
be increasing, even dramatically, I believe (I'm venturing a guess here)
that the number of Linux users as a percentage of total desktops is hardly
moving, simply because the number of new computer users (largely Windows) so
far outweighs the number of Linux converts. If the market share is minute
and, as a percentage of total desktops, that share is increasing at an
unspectacular rate, who's going to commit perpetually scarce development
resources to Linux, for the long haul?
> >You're just selective like me, I don't know ANYONE writing for
> >Windows... ;^)
> Oh, come on, Ronny. If that's the case, you're *substantially* more
> selective than I am! <g>
Well, you have to reboot Win95 for almost ANY change, but Linux for
almost NO change of system params...
l8er
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Linux does have a huge survival advantage over MacOS in the very fact
that Linux is open source. It's a completely different paradigm, one
that, in a very real way, gives us The World vs. Microsoft.
Incidentally, it's this very fact that has Microsoft quaking in its
money-filled boots. - ref. http://www.opensource.org/halloween.html .
There is no way they can stop it. They can't effectively undermine
the continued development and exposure of Linux, and they can't engulf
it.
Linux is only just growing out of its infancy, and when it matures
into a more user-friendly system (which it most definitely will do),
we will all have our real, and superior, pc-based alternative to the
Windoze gorilla.
Oh, and Linux and its software are developed under the GNU GPL.
That's the GNU General Public License, not Grand Prix Legends. --Does
that qualify me as being on topic? ;)
Brett
Actually, Linux has such a relatively configurable kernel, that it
does *not* force you into anything at all. If you want to run a lean
OS, you can hack the kernel to do *only* what you wish, and nothing
more. This is exactly one reason that Linux could 'win'. It has the
ability to be all OSes to all people.
Now, I'm no Linux guru. To be sure, I've only played with it, and
couldn't hack the kernel to save my life. But I can easily see the
potential. The point is that the kernel *can* be hacked.
Just like an average user doesn't know the details of how the
wallpaper changes in Windoze, in the future, the average user won't
need to know how their Linux box switches to "Extra Lean Grand Prix
Legends VIII" mode, either. But it will be done, just as they wish.
When they wish, they will switch back to "Extra Fat Windoze" mode, so
they can do whatever it is that a bloated system does well. ;)
I think over time, there will be several OS's, that's true. Who
knows? But, Linux has the ability to capitalize on whatever strong
points you desire in an OS.
Sorry if I'm coming off as a Linux evangelist. I'm not (tho I
wouldn't be ashamed of it if I was, either.) I just see some huge,
adaptable, robust, evolving, exciting,
"the-way-it-should-have-always-been" potential in Linux.
Oh, and I did mention a hypothetical future GPL in there somewhere...
;) Sorry for going all off topic.
Brett
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999 13:15:18 +0100, Johan Foederer
/Christer
/Christer, knowing hearsay isn't very trustworhy :o)
> Cheers,
> Paul
-_Dave
> I've heard one of the GUIs to Linux looks very much like Win95 just to make fun
> of Win95...
> /Christer, knowing hearsay isn't very trustworhy :o)
> > I would have absolutely no objection to this happening. I know little about Linux
> > other than it is a flavour of UNIX. Any competition to Microsoft can only be good.
> > One of the keys to its growing is that it must show a GUI as the primary point of
> > user contact, be easy to install and have dialog based access to all its
> > functionlity. As an IT professional, we may not find the interface to UNIX daunting,
> > but most users will. MacOS got all this right, the only shame was that they
> > preserved it for their own machines and were far to late to publically licence it.
> > Cheers,
> > Paul
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Oracle will certainly help to spread Linux. Why not run all Oracle databases on
Linux??? It's just one step. Take the next step and see where that puts you, and
then the next. One of these steps will have you running racing simulators on
your free Linux copy, and it will be increadibly fast, stable, easy to install
and use. Is it really that hard to imagine :o)? I see it, why cant you :o)?
/Christer
> >So I don't see how Linux has a prayer. I'm a developer myself and, though
> we
> >know they exist, I've not met anyone that's writing for Linux.
> If there was money in it, they'd be lining up at the door. No-one pays me
> to do my hobby, either.
> daxe
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I'm gonna get in on one of those Zandy races pretty soon this week.
Thanks for doing it, I was starting to wonder why no one ran Zandy on
VROC anymore.
To answer your question: Who has committed perpetually scarce
development resource to Linux, so far? It's gotten where it is now,
gaining users, because it is open source. Every interested hacker out
there takes a stab at whatever development they have to offer, for
notoriety among the Linux dev community, and because they like to do
it.
That's why I think Linux is such a strong potential challenger to
monolithic Micro$oft, because its development is based on a paradigm
that does not take into account immediate financial gain for the
developers/licensers.
Can this dev cycle continue forever into Linux's future? I don't
know, but I doubt it. But we already have Calderra, Red Hat,
Slackware - all companies based on the development of commercial Linux
distributions. If they've gotten this far, I would assume that
because Linux is growing in popularity, that truly profitable times
are only to begin for them.
Obviously, some very basic assumptions. But I wouldn't discount the
ability or potential of Linux. I would also venture a prediction that
Micro$oft will only weather the growth of Linux by impersonating
Linux. ;)
Brett
Brett
Here's the deal...Tonight at Zandy for all the marbles. You win and I'll
stop all my Windows development activity in favor of Linux.
Nooooo,....scratch that. 1) I, like most developers, can't afford to do
something like that, and 2) you'd probably beat me,...AGAIN! :-)
Hope to see you soon.