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by **Peter Ive** » Sun, 23 Apr 2000 04:00:00

I'm not entirely sure that my memory is completely accurate and it may
well be that is how the system I saw worked. It's a bit fuzzy as to
whether the camera like device moved above the landscape or the
landscape moved below the device. From what fleeting images I can
recall I don't remember the camera/device being anywhere else apart from
on the near side of the circuit, that is nearest to the screen, so it
may not have been a camera at all but some kind of plight source as in
the system you got to try. The fact that the image was cast on the back
side of the screen that the driver was viewing sounds extremely similar
in both instances. Either way, it was amazing for its time and I would
love to find out more info on this, if at all possible.

>I remember that when I started to go off the road, someone was standing
>behind the screen and he lifted the light to prevent the hot bulb from
>burning the scenery!! The visual effect on the screen was that I flew over
>the house that I was about to crash into -- very puzzling at first, then
>really funny after I realized what was going on.

>-- Doug

> Milliken Research Associates Inc.

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by **Doug Millike** » Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:00:00

> >very-bright clear light bulb(!) suspended over the model. The model
> >village was made from various transparent and translucent plastics, so the
> >shadows from the bright filament (nearly a point source) were directly
> I'm not entirely sure that my memory is completely accurate and it may
> well be that is how the system I saw worked. It's a bit fuzzy as to
> whether the camera like device moved above the landscape or the
> landscape moved below the device. From what fleeting images I can
.....
> in both instances. Either way, it was amazing for its time and I would
> love to find out more info on this, if at all possible.

That is about the extent of my memory -- I must have been about 10 at
the time (mid 60's) so my memory isn't all that good either(!) I suppose
you could contact the Liberty Mutual insurance co. and see if they still
have the research center in Hopkinton, MA (outside Boston).

-- Doug Milliken

by **cory ta** » Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:00:00

yeah liked that game......pitstop ii...
esp when u over fill ur tanks & the car caught fire..
one of my first ever sims on a pc was Test Drive. Not a f1 sim, but a predessor of
the NFS5. Point to point racing with cops on ur tail....It was in CGA btw!!!
any one remembers spy hunter?

by **cory ta** » Tue, 25 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Hey Y EAH!!!!!!
I remember that one!!!!! I must have been like 4yrs old when my love affair
with the car began. I remember it now. The camera was fixed with a rolling
oval track running beneath, projected to a screen.. There was sound, but the
engine seem not to rev about 1500rpms.I dun remember whether u could crash
the thing or not. WOW!! I wonder if anyone still has one in his/her garage?
that must be the first sim I ever experienced!!!

> Well, this old memory came back to me the other day and I've been
> looking for and excuse to post it. It's not entirely appropriate but
> what the heck, I'm sure there are those who will find this of interest.
> :)

> The first sim that I ever clapped eyes on was way back in the late 60s
> early 70s. It was, from what I can recall, it was in this darkened room
> all on its own and consisted of the shell of a Lotus (wheels and all)
> with steering wheel and pedals that the driver could sit in (though no
> overalls and helmet required :)), and it was set in front of a big
> screen some 4 or so feet square on which was displayed the track as the
> driver moved along. It was very popular and there was quite a queue to
> have a go. Unfortunately I was too young to try it myself - there's no
> way I would have been able to reach the pedals - but I was able to look
> behind the screen to see how it all worked. :)

> Basically it was a mini-camera suspended just above the track of a full
> minature 3d model of a circuit (don't remember which one) and this image
> was fed to the back side of the large, translucent display so that as
> the camera moved along above the track, presumably directed by the
> driver's inputs, it gave a pretty good 3 dimensional sense of motion.

> I can't remember if there was any sound but do recall that the track was
> flat which I expect it needed to be. To me this was very sophisticated
> for its day, well beyond anything else for years to come and I wonder
> now what ever became of it. It's a shame I was too young to have been
> able to appreciate it for myself. Does anyone else remember anything
> like this at all?
> --
> Peter Ives - (AKA Ivington)

> No person's opinions can be said to be
> more correct than another's, because each is
> the sole judge of his or her own experience.

by **Eldre** » Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:00:00

>yeah liked that game......pitstop ii...
>esp when u over fill ur tanks & the car caught fire..
>one of my first ever sims on a pc was Test Drive. Not a f1 sim, but a
>predessor of
>the NFS5. Point to point racing with cops on ur tail....It was in CGA btw!!!
>any one remembers spy hunter?

Spy Hunter? Ooh, I dropped MANY quarters in that one... Absolutely one of my
favorite arcade games... I'm trying to find it on the NES or
Playstation...<fat chance, huh?>

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by **Ruud van Ga** » Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:00:00

>>yeah liked that game......pitstop ii...
>>esp when u over fill ur tanks & the car caught fire..
>>one of my first ever sims on a pc was Test Drive. Not a f1 sim, but a
>>predessor of
>>the NFS5. Point to point racing with cops on ur tail....It was in CGA btw!!!
>>any one remembers spy hunter?

>Spy Hunter? Ooh, I dropped MANY quarters in that one... Absolutely one of my
>favorite arcade games... I'm trying to find it on the NES or
>Playstation...<fat chance, huh?>

Hmm, Spy Hunter, that was a nice game. I played that one on the C64.
You may have more luck trying to find it for THAT machine. I mean
emulator :) Frodo for example.

The first driving 'sim' I saw was on the Philips Videopac game machine
(a little later than the Atari2600). Videopac #4. Driving around with
single-colored sprites on a very blocky circuit :) But it was fun!
And Pole position at that time was THE driving game on the Atari.

The games that are most memorable for me were the Driving game for the
Intellivision (still sorry to see they're not easily available
somewher), Revs on the C64, and Stunt Car Racer (Amiga). The last one
was great. Great feel. Too bad I haven't seen it since for ANY
platform that can be emulated on my PC. :(
Now, GPL is my favorite, and F12K is cool.

Oh, and that vertical scroller on the C64, which used to be a
cartridge, that was and IS nice still. Just stepping on the gas
avoiding cars left & right.
If only I had the time and technical documents on car behavior, I
would love to do a car simulator... One more like stunt car racer,
which funny tracks, but nice dynamics.

Ruud van Gaal
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