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NetKar really is the new GPL!!!

Redmis

NetKar really is the new GPL!!!

by Redmis » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:01:00

I'm using a MOMO as well.  The default FF strength is absolutely ferocious
on these things and I strongly recommend to people that they turn it down in
the Logi control panel to about 50-60%.  As you suggest, it can completely
destroy your impression of the way grip is conveyed.

I'm reminded of a person who came into RAS ages ago slagging off at F1 2002
for having a ridiculous feeling of cornering grip - turns out he was using a
MOMO with positive FF instead of negative FF......lol

Stephen F

NetKar really is the new GPL!!!

by Stephen F » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:02:35


I was very impressed when I dropped a few extra passengers in the LFS cars
and checked what happened.  Drive around the skidpad and watch the tires
*deform*.  Having autocrossed a lot of fast hatches, the LFS model, whether
it's based on a 1000MHz 323 DOF Euler-integrated quantum model (phew...
how's that for BS?), lookup tables, or voodoo, is pretty much spot on for
the FWD cars, and a lot of fun.

Stephen

Redmis

NetKar really is the new GPL!!!

by Redmis » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:06:47

Playable, but you'd triple that in Netkar (at least with the AA and AF ***
turned off)        : )

Redmis

NetKar really is the new GPL!!!

by Redmis » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:10:33

Now that there's more than 1 track for LFS, people might start to take it
seriously.  I'm a fan of racing in online leagues and in a sim with 1 track,
that's not really possible.
Andrew MacPhers

NetKar really is the new GPL!!!

by Andrew MacPhers » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 16:59:00



> IMO this sim looks very promising indeed!

I agree absolutely.

Andrew McP

Bruce Kennewel

NetKar really is the new GPL!!!

by Bruce Kennewel » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:18:12

For me it's apparent in several ways; the graphics, the sound, the "feel" of
the cars, the lack of AI.

There is also the fact that I approached GPL from the very outset as a
"virtual" encapsulation of a segment of motor-racing history and I have
maintained that attitude ever since.
Apart from other "era" sims such as the NASCAR series (including Legends)
and the IndyCar series from Papyrus, I find that most of them have little
appeal. I don't want to sample several different types of car around a
couple of different styles of circuit. I never was one for the "Need For
Speed" genre.

I think I like the historical aspects of a well-crafted and presented racing
game as much as the driving itself.
Probably the reason  was so disappointed with, and felt let-down by, "Spirit
Of Speed" and why I'm keen to see the additional historic mods for GPL.

Bruce.


Joachim Trens

NetKar really is the new GPL!!!

by Joachim Trens » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:22:11

For me, Settings/Controller/FFScale within Netkar has the desired effect.

Achim


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Andre Warring

NetKar really is the new GPL!!!

by Andre Warring » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:13:17

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:06 +0100 (BST),


>Being a bit of a limp-wristed tart I already have it down to 50%. I like
>to communicate with my wheel, not get beaten up by it :-)

>Andrew McP

Either I'm very stong or my Momo is weaker than yours.. even at 100%
the ff is not too heavy on my system. And I do like my ff on the weak
side. The only game on which I really have to turn down the ff is 4x4
Evo II (hey, I got it for free with the Radeon card..)
After driving 10 laps in this game with ff on 100% and my arms feel
numb :-/

Andre

Andrew MacPhers

NetKar really is the new GPL!!!

by Andrew MacPhers » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:54:00



> even at 100% the ff is not too heavy on my system

You sure you have the power lead plugged in? ;-) At 100% my Momo
regularly tries to break my wrists. Probably my fault for wandering off
the track too often!

Andrew McP

Jan Verschuere

NetKar really is the new GPL!!!

by Jan Verschuere » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 18:56:36

That was me and I didn't exactly slag the game, I indicated I had a problem
with the FF pulling into the turn rather than providing centering force.

The game defaulted to 100%, so *excuse me* for assuming the slider would
scale from 0%-100%, just like any other racing sim. Missing a setting in a
game is one thing, having to manually adjust configuration files to get your
wheel working properly is another; an aspect which is still present in F1C,
BTW.

Jan.
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willempi

NetKar really is the new GPL!!!

by willempi » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 19:05:55

I agree the FWD drive is a hoot and pretty spot on in LFS...sadly now
with S1 most people seem to wanna drive the Lx cars.
I bought S1 and i'm totally behind what they're doing, they didn't
talk bullshit like some other certain people, but they just delivered
and kept on delivering..and the interaction of the deelopers with the
users is great...and on top of it all they can take it when someone
critiques their product...no deleting posts on forums and such.
But the RWD cars are odd, not by far as good as the FWD. And there are
more things which are odd but the product keeps on getting better and
better so i'm sure that will get sorted out...
Anyways...on Netkar...i do think this is the next GPL..as a game it's
not very developed yet, but as a sim i find it rather aweseome.
In terms of fun factor GPL stil beats them all, but i really think the
physics part has long been passed, if not by LFS or Netkar(which i
think both of them have) then surely by N2003. So it's rather amazing
a lot of people still feel GPL rules in the physics department...which
is rather silly if ya ask me...in 20 years time when we have an
absolute real time perfect driving sim people will still go 'but GPL
has better phisics'
Anways, Netkar has a long ways to go aswell, right now what 'annoys'
me most is the tracks are so smooth...no bumping(apart from a  rare
larger bump here and there)...which also takes away from the overall
'driving a car on a road' feeling.
Another very good thing about online racing in netkar is that the
roadcars are actually roadcars, take the 360...you can't do anything
about the setup which means if someone out drives you online he's
simply a better sim driver...and not that he uses a way better setup.

Oh well...LFS...netkar...i love em both..

Willem



wasso

NetKar really is the new GPL!!!

by wasso » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 19:33:49

Speaking of LFS, I agree, it does seem so similar to GPL, that I purchased
the S1 last night to try out the other cars. I didn't realize that you still
have
to earn Many points to drive them, and I don't have that much time right
now. Is there a way around this, so that all the cars can be driven?

Bob

Damien Smit

NetKar really is the new GPL!!!

by Damien Smit » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 19:50:32

F1C,

Whoops....no, it wasn't you, Jan.  The guy I remember went into a real rant
about what a joke the physics were etc. etc.

Andre Warring

NetKar really is the new GPL!!!

by Andre Warring » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 20:32:46


>So it's rather amazing
>a lot of people still feel GPL rules in the physics department...which
>is rather silly if ya ask me...in 20 years time when we have an
>absolute real time perfect driving sim people will still go 'but GPL
>has better phisics'

I can't think of anyone who doesn't agree that N2003's physics are way
ahead than GPL's physics actually :)

I assumed the 360 is still in beta stage and the setup options will
become available in a later stage? I sure hope so..
And is it possible to raise the rideheight of the F3000?
It's kinda scraping the Nordschleife now, especially on the way to
Flugplatz :)

Andre

Jan Verschuere

NetKar really is the new GPL!!!

by Jan Verschuere » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 21:03:36

Ok, no problem.

Jan.
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