rec.autos.simulators

by **Andre Warring** » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 04:34:45

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:28:17 GMT, "Alan Bernardo"

>Oh God No. I was only kidding about LFS being the next GPL. The next GPL
>is in the next life, where I'll be surrounded by the twelve apostles,
>pedaling around Heaven's Gate. :)

>Alanb

This 'next GPL' comparison is kind of silly anyway, what makes GPL
special is that it simulates one of the most interesting years in F1
history. And allthough N2003 for example is technically 10x better
than GPL, it can't keep me interested in the way GPL does.

But anyway, this evening I downloaded and tested both LFS and Netkar.

LFS: Personally I find LFS quite boring. I don't get a sensation of
speed at all and controlling the car is very easy. The graphics look
great, but with 5 other AI cars in front of me the AI drops with about
40% :-/ Maybe LFS is more fun when you unlock the faster cars, I did
so with the first release of LFS, but the only thing I can remember
about that is that I quickly grew tired of LFS so I can't really
bothered to go through the unlocking fase now.
Unless someone can convince me that LFS really gets a lot more
exciting with the faster cars..

Netkar: Gave it a try a couple of months ago, can't remember which
release version it was. I was impressed, but not enough to keep it on
my HD. After reading good things about the new version I installed it
(most easy installation I ever had in a racing sim btw), selected the
F3000 and Falkenberg, and waited a couple of seconds for the whole
bunch to load.
I gave gas and WHOOOOOAAAAAAA HOLY ****** ! That sound! That sensation
of speed!!! Very, very impressed with Netkar. The last time I had such
a big grin on my face was the first time I played GPL ;)

LFS is in a further stage of development than Netkar, but Netkar shows
so much more long-term promise.. I'm sure the West Bro's weren't happy
when they saw what one hobbyist programmer delivered here ;)

Please guys.. tell me the Ring has allready been converted to
Netkar???

Andre

by **Andreas Nystr?** » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 04:55:16

Maybe cause it actually feels like a real roadcar on the limit? (driving the
FWD)
I think LFS has the best tiremodel too, of any sim right now actually.
(except the RWD-cars.. they feel wierd)
but the FWD is just a masterpiece!.

sure could get better, but its better then the rest right now.
and it has actually working tire-pressure in lfs, if you have forcefeedback
you will feel what i mean.

> > > http://www.nkzone.com/

> > > here is a review...

> > > http://www.racesimcentral.com/articles/reviews/pc/netkar/netkar.shtml

> > > extra tracks...

> > > http://www.cooparchimede.com/mbrt/downloads.asp?cat=5

> > Okay, enough of this: we get the point. I still see LFS as a much
better
> > racing simulation, whether it's free or not. So if we're looking for
the
> > new GPL, then LFS is it.

> LFS gets a game rating higher than netkar - but sim wise Netkar wins
> SURELY!!!

> I love both - but I just can NOT see where you might imagine that LFS is
the
> 'new gpl' -

> Doug

by **Andreas Nystr?** » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 04:58:00

so very true!.

The grip thing in LFS works so real!. Very talented programmer scawen!.
Still it doesnt regain grip really like a real tire (well not like my cars
tires), but its so close, that it doesnt bother me :)

Netkar is just ice-skating for me, and just feels wierd. :/
but its getting better and better

> > I dont think anyone could reasonably
> > suggest that it's inferior to GPL anymore.

> For me there is something unpleasant about the way NetKar's cars lose
> grip, even after a few laps. In GPL I can understand what's happening
> even if I don't like it :-) In NetKar I keep getting those "WTF was
> that?" moments, the kind of thing that put me off games like f12000...
> or was it 2001? All the versions before 2002 anyway, and I'm still not
> so sure about 2002.

> Subjective opinion, obviously, and I really *want* to enjoy NetKar. But
> if I switch from NetKar to LFS (a fairer comparison than GPL perhaps)
> then the cars immediately feel more... er, in touch with real tarmac.
> Whatever that means.

> After posting my initial reactions to this latest release I am trying to
> give it a fair crack of the whip. But at the moment we're talking wet
> tea-towel rather than cat o' nine tails.

> If a paypal button were to appear on Stefano's site I would contribute
> something though. It deserves encouragement.

> Andrew McP

by **Andreas Nystr?** » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 04:59:35

I feel like the cars dont give any feedback at all in NetKar before
something happens, and the tires doesnt seem to want to regain grip.

> > Netkar has that 'shit how did that happen' experience which immediately
> puts
> > me off.

> Strange. I get the opposite impression.

> Sliding is not as catchable as in GPL, depending on which car you're
driving
> (especially once you go past a certain slip angle). Are you sure this
isn't
> what you're referring to?

> Ryan

by **Robin Lor** » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:00:36

> Please guys.. tell me the Ring has allready been converted to
> Netkar???

D/L and unzip this to the tracks folder:
http://www.fukt.bth.se/~matton/mg/nurburgring.zip

:)

--
Cheers,

Robin

now playing: Subsunday - So Good

http://www.oppositelock.freeserve.co.uk

by **Andre Warring** » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 07:09:50

On Tue, 22 Jul 2003 23:00:36 +0100, "Robin Lord"

>D/L and unzip this to the tracks folder:
>http://www.fukt.bth.se/~matton/mg/nurburgring.zip

>:)

Yihaa! Now why am I not surprised that you are the first one to give
me the url of the Nordschleife ;)

Cheers,
Andre

by **Redmis** » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 09:03:11

The feeling of speed between LFS and Netkar feels identical to me (when
running the same FOV of course) You can't really compare the LFS cars to an
F3000 though. The main problem with LFS is that its 3D engine is very
sluggish on anything less than a 3GHz PC. (For no apparent reason)

by **Jon** » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:42:21

F1C is more GPL like IMO

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:24:29

Yes, yes, yes....I've downloaded (last night) the latest release....and
spent an hour with it before my post.
How on earth anyone can say that this is the modern GPL beats me.

As I said; fun, it is. GPL, it ain't.

Bruce.

by **Redmis** » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 13:54:10

ok, in what way?

by **Gerry Aitke** » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 14:52:32

> The feeling of speed between LFS and Netkar feels identical to me (when
> running the same FOV of course) You can't really compare the LFS cars to an
> F3000 though. The main problem with LFS is that its 3D engine is very
> sluggish on anything less than a 3GHz PC. (For no apparent reason)

Gerry

by **Redmis** » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:12:10

system.

Yeah, but you said your 50ms LCD was fine too.....it's all relative. Bottom
line is that LFS runs at nearly half the frame rate of Netkar, F1C or N2003
at a given level of detail.

by **Andrew MacPhers** » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:40:00

> I really don't understand it when people say things like this.

Who knows, maybe it's a *** :-) It might even be down to people's
controllers... the default FF may be confusing me and my Logi Momo. Next
time I try NK I'll disable FF and see if that helps me feel more at
ease.

Andrew McP

by ae » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:44:37

>system.

>Yeah, but you said your 50ms LCD was fine too.....it's all relative. Bottom
>line is that LFS runs at nearly half the frame rate of Netkar, F1C or N2003
>at a given level of detail.

In LFS I get 42 FPS at 1280x960 with 4xFSAA, 8xAF on my XP2500+
Barton/9700 Pro. Not too shoddy.

Andrew.

by **Gerry Aitke** » Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:59:45

> system.

> Yeah, but you said your 50ms LCD was fine too.....it's all relative.

It IS fine for ***. The rest of the guys at the LAN party
begrudgingly agreed.

1200x1600 60fps on a well tuned AMD 2700+ with Radeon 9700.

rec.autos.simulators

NetKar really is the new GPL!!!

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NetKar really is the new GPL!!!

NetKar really is the new GPL!!!

NetKar really is the new GPL!!!