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The reason I ask is I am in a league using Fixed Setup races but they
have one of the better drivers setting up the Setups.  He happens to
like a looser Setup than I do.  Plus he drives a Chevy I drive a Pontiac
and I find some of the setups just totally un-managable.  I think that a
Fixed Setup League should only us setups that come from the game and not
made by someone.  But I was wondering what other leagues do and what
your thoughts were.

Thanks,
Bif1988

  We use the default fast setups, fwiw.

John

Any setup is gonna run different with different drivers AND different
hardware, even the default Papy setups. For example I switched from a LWFF
wheel too a MOMO. Setups that were way loose with the LWFF are extremely
tight with the MOMO. I think this has to do with the range of motion
differences between controllers.

You still can tune a fixed setup some using the controller's liner setting.
If a setup is loose lower the liner setting and if its tight increase it.
Now all I need is for the liner setting to goto about 120% :)

I wish that the steering lock was still adjustable in fixed setup races to
help people to make up for these type of differences.

MadDAWG

  Er, it is.

John

We use the default <fast> setups in ours. While it is possible that someone
has made a setup looser than you care for, looser will be faster and likely
better on tire wear (ala Bob Stanley setups at TLS) BUT the game implements
the car makes as a standard template with decals being only major
difference. You driving a Pontiac should have absolutely no affect on a
setup that was originally setup on any of the other 'makes'.

www.corl.ca - Canadian Online Racing League

If someone is making a custom fixed setup that everyone uses, it needs to be made available to all
league members days if not weeks b4 the race at that circuit so everyone has a chance to practice
with it.  I feel thats one of the reasons most leagues just use one of the default setups(usually
fast), no they are not as good on tire wear or most tend to be a little tight, but in your
situation, it seems the guy creating the setups would have an advantage over most if not almost all
of the drivers.  IMO, NOT the way to run a fixed setup league.....
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the....." - Ash

John

It was mostly frustrating last night because I got to the track for Practice and I had no problems with
the setup.  But once the race started I could not keep the car under me.  If I let off the car would
spin.  If  I would not let off as much to prevent the spin the car would push into the wall.  Now I am
not a great driver and I know it.  But I also know that I can usually handle the Standard setups pretty
well.    Better stop my vent.

But thanks all.  You pretty much told me what I thought should happen.

Thanks and Later,
Bif1988

To support you though, we had considered 'tuned' fixed setups for our league
until they decided to release 2002 on us as we were readying for another N4
season. Our deal was the whole lot of fixed setups (for all 12 venues) were
going to be released to the league BEFORE the season even started. I felt
this was only fair to the racers. Since we went to 2002 and started our
season within a few weeks of its release, we decided to just run the stock
<fast> setups. This has presented little problem EXCEPT for Coca Cola. The
stock <fast> there will blow up in the draft, even at 70o and clear...We
found this out the very night of the race, in practice, and all 17 of us
agreed I could back out, change the <fast> to have 5% less tape and restart.
No more blowups were experienced and everyone had an input on how to fix the
problem.

Anyway, long story short, they should use included setups or publish the
setups they intend to use for each track at the beginning of the season. At
least they should send out the setup a week or more ahead of each venue. I
would check the setup as it shows up in the garage (you can't change it but
it does show the correct data in grey) to make sure someone isn't sneaking
in different setups before each race. I would hope not...

mind you he did so in N3
not run fixed setups and
setups for the game makes for
style which will not
will be a hit or miss thing
Practice and I had no problems with
If I let off the car would
push into the wall.  Now I am
handle the Standard setups pretty

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I thought that the cars model was not common until N4?  N3 IIRC still had different handling between
the makes, like I said at least I thought that was the case since setups were marked as pontiac,
chevy, etc...specifically
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Biz

"Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular structures,....and
the....." - Ash

I thought the whole deal stopped with NR99 (which had fictional car
manufacturers but they handled differently).  Dunno, but anyway if we go
back to his point, well since we're talking about N4 creating a specific
chassis for a Ford/Chevy/Pontiac/Dodge won't make a difference.

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-- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>
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