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Oh well just have to learn to live.
Thanks,
Bif
> No, except for the number of tyre (2 lefts, 2 rights or 4) and the amount of
> fuel in the gas tank.
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It is funny to hear what your league is doing cause we too just shut down the N4
League racing and are going to N2k2 Starting next week (I believe). Plus I have
noticed the N4 just seemed too twitchy. N2k2 is a lot smoother and a lot easier
to deal with. N4 from the very beginning I found did just not feel right and
could not get a handle on it. I wonder a lot if that is not the reason the
Papyrus came out with N2k2 so fast. I had only just got N4 in Dec and right
away there was N2k2. Hopefully I will have 2 years with N2k2 now.
As far as putting the setups out at the beginning of the season... Well they do
not do that. My league is kind of not run real well. Mainly because it is just
a bunch of guys looking to have some fun. If we have a setup the week before we
were kind of lucky. I think N2k2 because we have just started it I am pretty
sure that we will be using the stock setups. I know when we ran Pocono in N4 I
had nothing but problems but then when we ran N2k2 the Setup was good for me and
I did not spin out once.
Well anyway thanks for the info SimRacer.
Later,
Bif1988
> To support you though, we had considered 'tuned' fixed setups for our league
> until they decided to release 2002 on us as we were readying for another N4
> season. Our deal was the whole lot of fixed setups (for all 12 venues) were
> going to be released to the league BEFORE the season even started. I felt
> this was only fair to the racers. Since we went to 2002 and started our
> season within a few weeks of its release, we decided to just run the stock
> <fast> setups. This has presented little problem EXCEPT for Coca Cola. The
> stock <fast> there will blow up in the draft, even at 70o and clear...We
> found this out the very night of the race, in practice, and all 17 of us
> agreed I could back out, change the <fast> to have 5% less tape and restart.
> No more blowups were experienced and everyone had an input on how to fix the
> problem.
> Anyway, long story short, they should use included setups or publish the
> setups they intend to use for each track at the beginning of the season. At
> least they should send out the setup a week or more ahead of each venue. I
> would check the setup as it shows up in the garage (you can't change it but
> it does show the correct data in grey) to make sure someone isn't sneaking
> in different setups before each race. I would hope not...
> > Well and that is kind of my point. The guy is tearing up the league. Now
> mind you he did so in N3
> > also but as the league went to N4 he wins everything where as in N3 we did
> not run fixed setups and
> > others seemed to be winning. And I believe that not using the Standard
> setups for the game makes for
> > an advantage. Also the fact that he will set the car up for his driving
> style which will not
> > necessarily benefit any other driver. Where using the Standard setups it
> will be a hit or miss thing
> > as to who will like the setup better.
> > It was mostly frustrating last night because I got to the track for
> Practice and I had no problems with
> > the setup. But once the race started I could not keep the car under me.
> If I let off the car would
> > spin. If I would not let off as much to prevent the spin the car would
> push into the wall. Now I am
> > not a great driver and I know it. But I also know that I can usually
> handle the Standard setups pretty
> > well. Better stop my vent.
> > But thanks all. You pretty much told me what I thought should happen.
> > Thanks and Later,
> > Bif1988
> > > Most of the issues were addressed by other posters, but....
> > > If someone is making a custom fixed setup that everyone uses, it needs
> to be made available to all
> > > league members days if not weeks b4 the race at that circuit so everyone
> has a chance to practice
> > > with it. I feel thats one of the reasons most leagues just use one of
> the default setups(usually
> > > fast), no they are not as good on tire wear or most tend to be a little
> tight, but in your
> > > situation, it seems the guy creating the setups would have an advantage
> over most if not almost all
> > > of the drivers. IMO, NOT the way to run a fixed setup league.....
> > > --
> > > Biz
> > > "Don't touch that please, your primitive intellect wouldn't understand
> > > alloys and compositions and,......things with molecular
> structures,....and
> > > the....." - Ash
John
And that is one of the things that really bugs me about N4 and N2k2. It
should
be fixed at the start of the race and then when you pit you should be able
to
adjust Wedge, Tape etc to fix the handling for each driver. N3 was like
that
and I do not know why they changed.
Oh well just have to learn to live.
Thanks,
Bif
> No, except for the number of tyre (2 lefts, 2 rights or 4) and the amount
of
> fuel in the gas tank.
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I remember one online race at tally in n3 where darn near the whole field
pitted on the first lap. I'm assuming to make changes since there was no
wreck or need for gas. The two of us that stayed out were sitting ducks when
they ran us down and left us in a few laps. Now at tracks other than plate
tracks it seems like this wouldn't work, but not sure.
MadDAWG
- Eric
And that is one of the things that really bugs me about N4 and N2k2. It
should
be fixed at the start of the race and then when you pit you should be able
to
adjust Wedge, Tape etc to fix the handling for each driver. N3 was like
that
and I do not know why they changed.
> >This has presented little problem EXCEPT for Coca Cola. The
> >stock <fast> there will blow up in the draft, even at 70o and clear...We
> >found this out the very night of the race, in practice, and all 17 of us
> >agreed I could back out, change the <fast> to have 5% less tape and
restart.
> Really? RASCAR racers, remind me about this before we run there. I'll
make
> *only* that change...
> Eldred
And that is one of the things that really bugs me about N4 and N2k2. It
should
be fixed at the start of the race and then when you pit you should be able
to
adjust Wedge, Tape etc to fix the handling for each driver. N3 was like
that
and I do not know why they changed.
Oh well just have to learn to live.
Thanks,
Bif
Honestly bif1988, as long as one uses moderate damage with the fixed setup,
you should be ok. Some yahoos think that running realistic damage with fixed
is fun, but when you crush the rear end up to the c-pillar and you can't
adjust for the horribly loose condition that will result from it (unless at
Marty or Bristol), you just as well park the car.
Good! Being able to change the handling of the car would defeat the purpose of
HAVING a fixed setup race. If you want to allow those changes, why not just
open setups?
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> >Honestly bif1988, as long as one uses moderate damage with the fixed
setup,
> >you should be ok. Some yahoos think that running realistic damage with
fixed
> >is fun, but when you crush the rear end up to the c-pillar and you can't
> >adjust for the horribly loose condition that will result from it (unless
at
> >Marty or Bristol), you just as well park the car.
> Allowing people to change the handling characteristics would give the
setup
> wizards an advantage. Maybe people will drive cleaner since they know
they
> can't recover from their screwups...<g>
> Eldred
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> Not really Eldred; those who are fast with open setups, are also fast
John
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> >> Not really Eldred; those who are fast with open setups, are also fast
> >with fixed. Seen it over and over and over............<G>
> Yeah, I know. I'm still trying to figure out how some guys were *3* seconds
> faster than me per lap at Pocono... :( With the SAME damn setup!
I consider myself to be a half decent driver, used to run up front at
road courses back on TEN and at least mid pack at most ovals, used to
finish a lap or two down at Pocono with substantial damage to my car
:-), I won't even talk about Darlington, I would be lucky to finish at
all there
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