rec.autos.simulators

I am new to this posting articles stuff, prefer just e-mailing, but here
goes.

I think the new scoring for incidents on Hawaii is way out of line and
completely miss the intent of scoring against incidents to begin with.
The way I understand, an incident caused by someone other than you ought
to be a penalty of some sort, but there is no way to change the result
of the incident to protect the person not at fault.

Example: You qualify fifth at Talladega in a 5% race (nevermind you
shouldn't be there to begin with). The skill level for the race is 8-15
and you are skill 10. There are 18 people in the race. So you are all
ready for a relatively short race, can reasonably expect a top 5 or 10
finish, and make a few point for the race. The race begins, and as you
round turn 1 into turn 2, the person that qualified 7 decides to pass
you attempting 3 wide in the turn on the first lap. This eager beaver
hits you sending you in front of all the cars on the outside line, of
which you manage to only hit two. After careening off the second car,
you get sent into the wall where you engine is damaged. And finally, as
you come back down toward the infield, you hit 2 more innocent drivers.
So, in the first 20 seconds of the race, you have at least 5 incidents,
have inadvertantly crashed 4 other cars, are unable to finish the race,
and have witnessed some interesting expletives being transmitted over
chat.

If you have ever raced Talladega on-line, you know that this is an
almost normal occurance, at least the incident part. Anyway, After being
towed to the pits, fuming the whole way, you finish watching the race
from the pits, only to discover that the person who caused this melee,
ends up winning the race! You get hit, wether accident or otherwise, and
lose -20 points for the ensuing incidents "caused" by you. Not to
mention the -45 points you lost for not finishing the race. Meanwhile
The cause of the ordeal collects +60 points for winning the race, less
his 1 incident. What is wrong with this picture? I don't mean to say it
was intentional on the other drivers part, only that it doesn't matter.

And that is the point! There should be no incident points scored at all,
because the vast majority of drivers out there are not intentionally
causing accidents. For the few that do, we can save replays and send to
H_H so they can monitor these guys. Yes, there have been times where I
caused incidents, as just about everyone on Hawaii can honestly say, but
why do those involved lose points because fault of mine? And I can
honestly say I have never intentionally caused one, although you may get
an argument from the other guy :<

Finally, why have a system that takes away points for hitting a wall? If
you do this regularly, your car will be damaged, and you will finish the
race accordingly. Better, develop a scoring penalty for those races with
damage off, something like half the points or something like that, or
develop a "difficulty" rating for each race based upon the track, damage
on, length, ect.

Until Hawaii can come up with a system that reviews each and every
incident, and levies the points accordingly, as in the example above, I
just don't think it's a fair way to score. I would agree that incidents
offer some deterence to reckless abandon, but that is for only the minor
few. I sincerely believe that most enjoy a nice, clean race over one
where an incident gave them a win.

I am new to this posting articles stuff, prefer just e-mailing, but here
goes.

I think the new scoring for incidents on Hawaii is way out of line and
completely miss the intent of scoring against incidents to begin with.
The way I understand, an incident caused by someone other than you ought
to be a penalty of some sort, but there is no way to change the result
of the incident to protect the person not at fault.

Example: You qualify fifth at Talladega in a 5% race (nevermind you
shouldn't be there to begin with). The skill level for the race is 8-15
and you are skill 10. There are 18 people in the race. So you are all
ready for a relatively short race, can reasonably expect a top 5 or 10
finish, and make a few point for the race. The race begins, and as you
round turn 1 into turn 2, the person that qualified 7 decides to pass
you attempting 3 wide in the turn on the first lap. This eager beaver
hits you sending you in front of all the cars on the outside line, of
which you manage to only hit two. After careening off the second car,
you get sent into the wall where you engine is damaged. And finally, as
you come back down toward the infield, you hit 2 more innocent drivers.
So, in the first 20 seconds of the race, you have at least 5 incidents,
have inadvertantly crashed 4 other cars, are unable to finish the race,
and have witnessed some interesting expletives being transmitted over
chat.

If you have ever raced Talladega on-line, you know that this is an
almost normal occurance, at least the incident part. Anyway, After being
towed to the pits, fuming the whole way, you finish watching the race
from the pits, only to discover that the person who caused this melee,
ends up winning the race! You get hit, wether accident or otherwise, and
lose -20 points for the ensuing incidents "caused" by you. Not to
mention the -45 points you lost for not finishing the race. Meanwhile
The cause of the ordeal collects +60 points for winning the race, less
his 1 incident. What is wrong with this picture? I don't mean to say it
was intentional on the other drivers part, only that it doesn't matter.

And that is the point! There should be no incident points scored at all,
because the vast majority of drivers out there are not intentionally
causing accidents. For the few that do, we can save replays and send to
H_H so they can monitor these guys. Yes, there have been times where I
caused incidents, as just about everyone on Hawaii can honestly say, but
why do those involved lose points because fault of mine? And I can
honestly say I have never intentionally caused one, although you may get
an argument from the other guy :<

Finally, why have a system that takes away points for hitting a wall? If
you do this regularly, your car will be damaged, and you will finish the
race accordingly. Better, develop a scoring penalty for those races with
damage off, something like half the points or something like that, or
develop a "difficulty" rating for each race based upon the track, damage
on, length, ect.

Until Hawaii can come up with a system that reviews each and every
incident, and levies the points accordingly, as in the example above, I
just don't think it's a fair way to score. I would agree that incidents
offer some deterence to reckless abandon, but that is for only the minor
few. I sincerely believe that most enjoy a nice, clean race over one
where an incident gave them a win.

I am new to this posting articles stuff, prefer just e-mailing, but here
goes.

I think the new scoring for incidents on Hawaii is way out of line and
completely miss the intent of scoring against incidents to begin with.
The way I understand, an incident caused by someone other than you ought
to be a penalty of some sort, but there is no way to change the result
of the incident to protect the person not at fault.

Example: You qualify fifth at Talladega in a 5% race (nevermind you
shouldn't be there to begin with). The skill level for the race is 8-15
and you are skill 10. There are 18 people in the race. So you are all
ready for a relatively short race, can reasonably expect a top 5 or 10
finish, and make a few point for the race. The race begins, and as you
round turn 1 into turn 2, the person that qualified 7 decides to pass
you attempting 3 wide in the turn on the first lap. This eager beaver
hits you sending you in front of all the cars on the outside line, of
which you manage to only hit two. After careening off the second car,
you get sent into the wall where you engine is damaged. And finally, as
you come back down toward the infield, you hit 2 more innocent drivers.
So, in the first 20 seconds of the race, you have at least 5 incidents,
have inadvertantly crashed 4 other cars, are unable to finish the race,
and have witnessed some interesting expletives being transmitted over
chat.

If you have ever raced Talladega on-line, you know that this is an
almost normal occurance, at least the incident part. Anyway, After being
towed to the pits, fuming the whole way, you finish watching the race
from the pits, only to discover that the person who caused this melee,
ends up winning the race! You get hit, wether accident or otherwise, and
lose -20 points for the ensuing incidents "caused" by you. Not to
mention the -45 points you lost for not finishing the race. Meanwhile
The cause of the ordeal collects +60 points for winning the race, less
his 1 incident. What is wrong with this picture? I don't mean to say it
was intentional on the other drivers part, only that it doesn't matter.

And that is the point! There should be no incident points scored at all,
because the vast majority of drivers out there are not intentionally
causing accidents. For the few that do, we can save replays and send to
H_H so they can monitor these guys. Yes, there have been times where I
caused incidents, as just about everyone on Hawaii can honestly say, but
why do those involved lose points because fault of mine? And I can
honestly say I have never intentionally caused one, although you may get
an argument from the other guy :<

Finally, why have a system that takes away points for hitting a wall? If
you do this regularly, your car will be damaged, and you will finish the
race accordingly. Better, develop a scoring penalty for those races with
damage off, something like half the points or something like that, or
develop a "difficulty" rating for each race based upon the track, damage
on, length, ect.

Until Hawaii can come up with a system that reviews each and every
incident, and levies the points accordingly, as in the example above, I
just don't think it's a fair way to score. I would agree that incidents
offer some deterence to reckless abandon, but that is for only the minor
few. I sincerely believe that most enjoy a nice, clean race over one
where an incident gave them a win.

I am new to this posting articles stuff, prefer just e-mailing, but here
goes.

I think the new scoring for incidents on Hawaii is way out of line and
completely miss the intent of scoring against incidents to begin with.
The way I understand, an incident caused by someone other than you ought
to be a penalty of some sort, but there is no way to change the result
of the incident to protect the person not at fault.

Example: You qualify fifth at Talladega in a 5% race (nevermind you
shouldn't be there to begin with). The skill level for the race is 8-15
and you are skill 10. There are 18 people in the race. So you are all
ready for a relatively short race, can reasonably expect a top 5 or 10
finish, and make a few point for the race. The race begins, and as you
round turn 1 into turn 2, the person that qualified 7 decides to pass
you attempting 3 wide in the turn on the first lap. This eager beaver
hits you sending you in front of all the cars on the outside line, of
which you manage to only hit two. After careening off the second car,
you get sent into the wall where you engine is damaged. And finally, as
you come back down toward the infield, you hit 2 more innocent drivers.
So, in the first 20 seconds of the race, you have at least 5 incidents,
have inadvertantly crashed 4 other cars, are unable to finish the race,
and have witnessed some interesting expletives being transmitted over
chat.

If you have ever raced Talladega on-line, you know that this is an
almost normal occurance, at least the incident part. Anyway, After being
towed to the pits, fuming the whole way, you finish watching the race
from the pits, only to discover that the person who caused this melee,
ends up winning the race! You get hit, wether accident or otherwise, and
lose -20 points for the ensuing incidents "caused" by you. Not to
mention the -45 points you lost for not finishing the race. Meanwhile
The cause of the ordeal collects +60 points for winning the race, less
his 1 incident. What is wrong with this picture? I don't mean to say it
was intentional on the other drivers part, only that it doesn't matter.

And that is the point! There should be no incident points scored at all,
because the vast majority of drivers out there are not intentionally
causing accidents. For the few that do, we can save replays and send to
H_H so they can monitor these guys. Yes, there have been times where I
caused incidents, as just about everyone on Hawaii can honestly say, but
why do those involved lose points because fault of mine? And I can
honestly say I have never intentionally caused one, although you may get
an argument from the other guy :<

Finally, why have a system that takes away points for hitting a wall? If
you do this regularly, your car will be damaged, and you will finish the
race accordingly. Better, develop a scoring penalty for those races with
damage off, something like half the points or something like that, or
develop a "difficulty" rating for each race based upon the track, damage
on, length, ect.

Until Hawaii can come up with a system that reviews each and every
incident, and levies the points accordingly, as in the example above, I
just don't think it's a fair way to score. I would agree that incidents
offer some deterence to reckless abandon, but that is for only the minor
few. I sincerely believe that most enjoy a nice, clean race over one
where an incident gave them a win.

I am new to this posting articles stuff, prefer just e-mailing, but here
goes.

I think the new scoring for incidents on Hawaii is way out of line and
completely miss the intent of scoring against incidents to begin with.
The way I understand, an incident caused by someone other than you ought
to be a penalty of some sort, but there is no way to change the result
of the incident to protect the person not at fault.

Example: You qualify fifth at Talladega in a 5% race (nevermind you
shouldn't be there to begin with). The skill level for the race is 8-15
and you are skill 10. There are 18 people in the race. So you are all
ready for a relatively short race, can reasonably expect a top 5 or 10
finish, and make a few point for the race. The race begins, and as you
round turn 1 into turn 2, the person that qualified 7 decides to pass
you attempting 3 wide in the turn on the first lap. This eager beaver
hits you sending you in front of all the cars on the outside line, of
which you manage to only hit two. After careening off the second car,
you get sent into the wall where you engine is damaged. And finally, as
you come back down toward the infield, you hit 2 more innocent drivers.
So, in the first 20 seconds of the race, you have at least 5 incidents,
have inadvertantly crashed 4 other cars, are unable to finish the race,
and have witnessed some interesting expletives being transmitted over
chat.

If you have ever raced Talladega on-line, you know that this is an
almost normal occurance, at least the incident part. Anyway, After being
towed to the pits, fuming the whole way, you finish watching the race
from the pits, only to discover that the person who caused this melee,
ends up winning the race! You get hit, wether accident or otherwise, and
lose -20 points for the ensuing incidents "caused" by you. Not to
mention the -45 points you lost for not finishing the race. Meanwhile
The cause of the ordeal collects +60 points for winning the race, less
his 1 incident. What is wrong with this picture? I don't mean to say it
was intentional on the other drivers part, only that it doesn't matter.

And that is the point! There should be no incident points scored at all,
because the vast majority of drivers out there are not intentionally
causing accidents. For the few that do, we can save replays and send to
H_H so they can monitor these guys. Yes, there have been times where I
caused incidents, as just about everyone on Hawaii can honestly say, but
why do those involved lose points because fault of mine? And I can
honestly say I have never intentionally caused one, although you may get
an argument from the other guy :<

Finally, why have a system that takes away points for hitting a wall? If
you do this regularly, your car will be damaged, and you will finish the
race accordingly. Better, develop a scoring penalty for those races with
damage off, something like half the points or something like that, or
develop a "difficulty" rating for each race based upon the track, damage
on, length, ect.

Until Hawaii can come up with a system that reviews each and every
incident, and levies the points accordingly, as in the example above, I
just don't think it's a fair way to score. I would agree that incidents
offer some deterence to reckless abandon, but that is for only the minor
few. I sincerely believe that most enjoy a nice, clean race over one
where an incident gave them a win.