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Anyone Using a P166?

Hudso

Anyone Using a P166?

by Hudso » Fri, 26 Apr 1996 04:00:00

I'd like to know how fast games like ICR2 run on a Pentium 166.  I don't
want to invest in a new computer at least until it can run a game like
ICR2 or GP2 with full detail, hi-res graphics running at a smooth
(15+ fps) frame rate.

If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full
detail?  What do you think the framerate is?  Are you completely
satisfied with it's performance?

                                 Thanks,  Casey Hudson

Jo

Anyone Using a P166?

by Jo » Sat, 27 Apr 1996 04:00:00


>If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full
>detail?  What do you think the framerate is?  Are you completely
>satisfied with it's performance?

I don't know the answer, but I saw an interesting post on this subject
on Compuserve today:
==================================================
Marc,

  >...Intel in a way has lucked out, though until now it has probably
been holding its breath waiting for the other shoe to drop...<

  It just dropped, and it's call the Cyrix 6x86. The 133Mhz version
(which Cyrix has dubbed the P166+) is kicking the hell out of the
166Mhz Pentium on all current benchmarks (see the latest issue of PC
Magazine for more details).

  I just picked up one yesterday (the P166+ model), and it's the
fastest damn thing I've ever worked with. Out of order execution,
superpiplining, superscalar/speculative execution - it's more like a
P6 in P5 clothing, but without the 16-bit performance hit of the
Pentium Pro.

  Better yet, the 6x86 is completely pin-compatible with existing
Pentium PGA sockets. I've got mine installed in a board designed
specifically for genuine Intel CPUs (all the way up to the as yet
unreleased P5/180), and yet here I am flying along at speeds faster
than anything Intel can offer for this very same board. Truly Amazing!

  Imagine what will happen when Cyrix starts to really crank up the
clock speed (note: the P166+ is only running at 133Mhz, even though it
delivers better-than-P5/166 performance - hence the P166+ moniker).

  Intel *should* be concerned...

RCK

Julian Lov

Anyone Using a P166?

by Julian Lov » Sat, 27 Apr 1996 04:00:00


> I'd like to know how fast games like ICR2 run on a Pentium 166.  I don't
> want to invest in a new computer at least until it can run a game like
> ICR2 or GP2 with full detail, hi-res graphics running at a smooth
> (15+ fps) frame rate.

> If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full
> detail?  What do you think the framerate is?  Are you completely
> satisfied with it's performance?

>                                  Thanks,  Casey Hudson

They should scream on a P166. I run ICR2 on my P133 with 14 cars drawn
ahead, 4 behind, and all textures on at 20+ fps (ie I have min frame rate
set to 20 and none of the textures turn off when set on auto).

GP2 will probably be a bit more hungry, although I am confident it will
play well in hi-res on a P133 - if it doesn't, they are screwed IMHO.

Julian
_____________________________________________________________________

                                University of Oxford

David Woodwar

Anyone Using a P166?

by David Woodwar » Sat, 27 Apr 1996 04:00:00



> > I'd like to know how fast games like ICR2 run on a Pentium 166.  I don't
> > want to invest in a new computer at least until it can run a game like
> > ICR2 or GP2 with full detail, hi-res graphics running at a smooth
> > (15+ fps) frame rate.

> > If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full
> > detail?  What do you think the framerate is?  Are you completely
> > satisfied with it's performance?

> >                                  Thanks,  Casey Hudson

> They should scream on a P166. I run ICR2 on my P133 with 14 cars drawn
> ahead, 4 behind, and all textures on at 20+ fps (ie I have min frame rate
> set to 20 and none of the textures turn off when set on auto).

> GP2 will probably be a bit more hungry, although I am confident it will
> play well in hi-res on a P133 - if it doesn't, they are screwed IMHO.

> Julian
> _____________________________________________________________________

>                                 University of Oxford

I too have a P133 and I turn the cars viewed ahead to maximum and there
is only an occasional turn off on road texture and restarts look awesome
Craig Hopki

Anyone Using a P166?

by Craig Hopki » Mon, 29 Apr 1996 04:00:00




>>If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full
>>detail?  What do you think the framerate is?  Are you completely
>>satisfied with it's performance?

I use a P90 with 2 Mb DRAM Diamond Stealth and have to turn off most
detail in NASCAR Racing but can have all detail on for ICR2.

Used a friend's P166 with 4 Mb Video Card and with NASCAR Racing could
have all the details on, including asphalt.    WAAAAAA.   Sob Sob.

I would buy one if I had the money.

Cheers,

Craig.

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s..

Anyone Using a P166?

by s.. » Mon, 29 Apr 1996 04:00:00


>I'd like to know how fast games like ICR2 run on a Pentium 166.  I don't
>want to invest in a new computer at least until it can run a game like
>ICR2 or GP2 with full detail, hi-res graphics running at a smooth
>(15+ fps) frame rate.
>If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full
>detail?  What do you think the framerate is?  Are you completely
>satisfied with it's performance?
>                                 Thanks,  Casey Hudson

I am playing Indycar Racing II on a P166 with an ATI Graphics Pro
Turbo 1600 video card in SVGA, full details at 30 fps. The game is
running perfectly, verry smooth... :-)

Stephane, Montreal.

Brian Wong - Systems Engineering - SMCC Serve

Anyone Using a P166?

by Brian Wong - Systems Engineering - SMCC Serve » Tue, 30 Apr 1996 04:00:00


>I'd like to know how fast games like ICR2 run on a Pentium 166.  I don't
>want to invest in a new computer at least until it can run a game like
>ICR2 or GP2 with full detail, hi-res graphics running at a smooth
>(15+ fps) frame rate.

>If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full
>detail?  What do you think the framerate is?  Are you completely
>satisfied with it's performance?

A bit higher end than you specify, but I have a 200MHz Pentium Pro with a
#9 Imagine128, and it runs ICR2 at 27 fps with all details on, even
at Australia.  In SVGA.  It can manage 29 fps at some tracks.  NASCAR
is a bit disappointing, but I don't have a UNIVBE installed for that
and I'm sure that would help a lot.

By 27 fps I mean that that's how far up I can set the min frame rate
before various bits of graphics go away.

--

Brian Wong                              Systems Engineering Group (Servers)

Karl Rau

Anyone Using a P166?

by Karl Rau » Tue, 30 Apr 1996 04:00:00


>  >...Intel in a way has lucked out, though until now it has probably
>been holding its breath waiting for the other shoe to drop...<
>  It just dropped, and it's call the Cyrix 6x86. The 133Mhz version
>(which Cyrix has dubbed the P166+) is kicking the hell out of the
>166Mhz Pentium on all current benchmarks (see the latest issue of PC
>Magazine for more details).
>  I just picked up one yesterday (the P166+ model), and it's the
>fastest damn thing I've ever worked with. Out of order execution,
>superpiplining, superscalar/speculative execution - it's more like a
>P6 in P5 clothing, but without the 16-bit performance hit of the
>Pentium Pro.
>  Better yet, the 6x86 is completely pin-compatible with existing
>Pentium PGA sockets. I've got mine installed in a board designed
>specifically for genuine Intel CPUs (all the way up to the as yet
>unreleased P5/180), and yet here I am flying along at speeds faster
>than anything Intel can offer for this very same board. Truly Amazing!
>  Imagine what will happen when Cyrix starts to really crank up the
>clock speed (note: the P166+ is only running at 133Mhz, even though it
>delivers better-than-P5/166 performance - hence the P166+ moniker).
>  Intel *should* be concerned...
>RCK

        Tell us more Joe.  I just upgraded to a P133 and I STILL need more
horsepower, even with a good gfx card.  This sounds like it could be
jsut the ticket!

        Karl

Garrett Dic

Anyone Using a P166?

by Garrett Dic » Tue, 30 Apr 1996 04:00:00

i have a p166 with 4 mb video & i have all graphics on & my frame rate
high & low at 30..It is awesome






>>>If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full
>>>detail?  What do you think the framerate is?  Are you completely
>>>satisfied with it's performance?

>I use a P90 with 2 Mb DRAM Diamond Stealth and have to turn off most
>detail in NASCAR Racing but can have all detail on for ICR2.

>Used a friend's P166 with 4 Mb Video Card and with NASCAR Racing could
>have all the details on, including asphalt.    WAAAAAA.   Sob Sob.

>I would buy one if I had the money.

>Cheers,

>Craig.

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>Canberra, Australia

>IVL Toys-R-Us #43 Pontiac - Rick Higbee Motorsports

>http://www.racesimcentral.net/~hoppy1
>******************************************************************************

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Allan Yankos

Anyone Using a P166?

by Allan Yankos » Wed, 01 May 1996 04:00:00





>>>If you are using a P166, what are these games like at hi-res, full
>>>detail?  What do you think the framerate is?  Are you completely
>>>satisfied with it's performance?

I have a P166-16mb-Matrox Millenium with Thrustmaster T1.  Indycar 2
runs full detail svga at 28fps with 28 cars.  Nascar 32 cars, SVGA,
all detail except grass texture at 28fps.  Need For Speed-perfect!
Enjoy it!
Jetta
>I use a P90 with 2 Mb DRAM Diamond Stealth and have to turn off most
>detail in NASCAR Racing but can have all detail on for ICR2.
>Used a friend's P166 with 4 Mb Video Card and with NASCAR Racing could
>have all the details on, including asphalt.    WAAAAAA.   Sob Sob.
>I would buy one if I had the money.
>Cheers,
>Craig.
>******************************************************************************

>Canberra, Australia
>IVL Toys-R-Us #43 Pontiac - Rick Higbee Motorsports
>http://www.ozemail.com.au/~hoppy1
>******************************************************************************

Stuart J. Boyl

Anyone Using a P166?

by Stuart J. Boyl » Wed, 01 May 1996 04:00:00


> It just dropped, and it's call the Cyrix 6x86. The 133Mhz version
>(which Cyrix has dubbed the P166+) is kicking the hell out of the
>166Mhz Pentium on all current benchmarks (see the latest issue of PC
>Magazine for more details).

I have this issue of PC Magazine in which you refer.  I agree the Cyrix
chip did real well overall, better the fastest P166 in most tests. But
the P166's look like they do better on the CPUmark-16 test.  My
understanding of these tests is that the CPUmark-16 test is the most
applicable to computer games including auto racing simulators.

What do you think?

Also,  how expsensive is the Cyrix chip versus a P166?
--
Later,

Stuart J. Boyle

Jo

Anyone Using a P166?

by Jo » Thu, 02 May 1996 04:00:00


I don''t know about that - Intel's P166 doesn't do a thing for 16-bit
code - it's no faster than a P133. The Cyrix chip apparently doesn't
have the same limitation. I would imagine that most games would be
16-bit so as to be as highly optimized as possible, but I could be
wrong about that.

Joe

WODA

Anyone Using a P166?

by WODA » Thu, 02 May 1996 04:00:00

Hey Brian Wong - Systems Engineering - SMCC Servers !
You burnt somethin' into my screen !

What should UNIVBE help ??
It only slows down *my* computer !

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Anyone Using a P166?

by RickGent » Thu, 02 May 1996 04:00:00


Both NASCAR Racing and IndyCar Racing II are full 32-bit applications.
Most games that use the DOS/4GW 32-bit DOS extender are full 32-bit
applications as well.

Rick Genter
Technical Lead, IndyCar Racing II
Sierra On-Line, Inc.

Jo

Anyone Using a P166?

by Jo » Fri, 03 May 1996 04:00:00


>Both NASCAR Racing and IndyCar Racing II are full 32-bit applications.
>Most games that use the DOS/4GW 32-bit DOS extender are full 32-bit
>applications as well.

Thanks for the correction, Rick. That's good to know, that means they
should really rock on the P166 (and up).

Joe


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