rec.autos.simulators

by **Morti** » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 21:10:27

Kevin Webb left a note on my windscreen which said:

IMO People who pirate the game have never, ever been incovinenced to any
significant degree with copy protection software. Legitimate buyers on
the othe hand have sometimes had to go to extreme lengths just to get it
to run on their machine. A friend of mine could not get Neverwinter
Nights to run after he purchased it because of the copy protection.

I hate piracy as much as any legitimate buyer of games but the current
copy protection schemes are a joke - the only sufferers are buyers,
never pirates. It's so ridiculous it actually makes a case for buying
pirate copies - buy one legit copy to support the developers and one
pirate copy to play the game.
--

Mortis

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by **Goy Larse** » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 21:50:38

> Here here. Much ado about fricking nothing. Someone posted that it only
> inconveniences the legitimate buyer. How? By spinning your drive for a few
> seconds? Uh, big whoop. By taking a few extra seconds for the game to
> boot? Once again, huh? This is bothersome? I find this thread rather
> humorous and whole argument against a company trying to protect their
> interests absurd. Move on Dave.

I have to put the CD in the CD player every time I want to play the
game, that's an inconvenience if you play more than one game at the
time, I don't have to do that when I fire up Word, Photoshop or
Pagemaker, so why should I for a 40 dollar piece of entertainment
software ?

Not that it bothers me too much in this particular case as you'll never
find me on Sierra so the no-cd.exe works fine for me

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Uncle Feste** » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 22:59:09

> Here here. Much ado about fricking nothing. Someone posted that it only
> inconveniences the legitimate buyer. How? By spinning your drive for a few
> seconds? Uh, big whoop. By taking a few extra seconds for the game to
> boot? Once again, huh? This is bothersome? I find this thread rather
> humorous and whole argument against a company trying to protect their
> interests absurd. Move on Dave.

Such copy protection schemes have been known to damage cd drives as
well. N2k3 is a great sim, but is it's protection worth a new cd-rw?
It's about a lot more than spinning the drive a few seconds.

--

Fester

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by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 23:38:29

So you are ok then with companies like macrovision hiding files outside
of your disk format area then? You could install a program like Turbo tax.
Then uninstall it, delete the remaining folders, format your C:\ drive and
they still would have active files running when you re-installed windows.
Do you know that macrovision bought cdilla(Spyware) and use some form of it
with their latest copy protection schemes?
I can buy a music cd and play it in my stereo, or in my car-stereo. Or
take it over to my son's house and listen to it there. Why are computer
programs different? I can buy Video Tape of a movie and play it in any
number of VCR boxes in my house or anyone else;s that I choose. Why can't
I do this with Computer programs.
And I can let this copy protection gronk and grind my cdrom for a good
long while each time I load up a game...since my current cdrom was quite
pricey when I got it...I'm kinda protective of anything that tries to make
it operate outside of established normal parameters.
I'll move on...but not quietly :)
dave henrie

>> Who cares, better yet, who has time to care?? It's a frickin' game,
>> buy
> it,
>> install it, play it, get on with your life!

>> Joe

by **Eldre** » Fri, 07 Mar 2003 02:31:21

>Here here. Much ado about fricking nothing. Someone posted that it only
>inconveniences the legitimate buyer. How? By spinning your drive for a few
>seconds? Uh, big whoop. By taking a few extra seconds for the game to
>boot? Once again, huh? This is bothersome? I find this thread rather
>humorous and whole argument against a company trying to protect their
>interests absurd. Move on Dave.

>> Who cares, better yet, who has time to care?? It's a frickin' game, buy
>it,
>> install it, play it, get on with your life!

You guys don't worry about the CP spinning your CD drive to *maximum* revs, and
staying there for about a minute everytime you run the game? N2002 would do
that EVERY FREAKING TIME. It always sounded like something would shatter at
any second... :-(

Eldred
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by **Steve Blankenshi** » Fri, 07 Mar 2003 02:54:31

> >Here here. Much ado about fricking nothing. Someone posted that it only
> >inconveniences the legitimate buyer. How? By spinning your drive for a
few
> >seconds? Uh, big whoop. By taking a few extra seconds for the game to
> >boot? Once again, huh? This is bothersome? I find this thread rather
> >humorous and whole argument against a company trying to protect their
> >interests absurd. Move on Dave.

> >> Who cares, better yet, who has time to care?? It's a frickin' game, buy
> >it,
> >> install it, play it, get on with your life!

> You guys don't worry about the CP spinning your CD drive to *maximum*
revs, and
> staying there for about a minute everytime you run the game? N2002 would
do
> that EVERY FREAKING TIME. It always sounded like something would shatter
at
> any second... :-(

Can't speak for others, but NR2K3 is much different from NR2K2 in that
respect on my box; NR2K2 WAS a pain to get launched. I recall some posts
that they were not using the same protection scheme, but don't know the
details and can't comment on the mentioned off-format area file issues. In
any case, mine starts in 7 seconds using the standard exe with the CD in the
drive, only 2 seconds more than the no_cd exe. Is that unusual?

SB

by **Stev** » Fri, 07 Mar 2003 02:52:56

It did break my N4 CD. It only took me 10 mins to copy the N2003 cd so if that breaks I all I have to do is copy the original again.

The *** theorists would say Sierra make sure the CDs are in the drive so they break. You then have to pay Sierra again for a
broken CD cause by a faulty protection system.

--

__________

Steve

by **Eldre** » Fri, 07 Mar 2003 03:06:52

I dunno - I never ran the no_cd.exe. But I don't think N2K3 thrashes my drive
as badly N2K2 did... That is the absolute WORST of all the games I own.

Eldred
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by **Joe Saxo** » Fri, 07 Mar 2003 08:53:50

I keep a nocd version of the .exe and use it all the time and just use the
old .exe and CD when I need to go online, easy enough?

Joe

> > Here here. Much ado about fricking nothing. Someone posted that it
only
> > inconveniences the legitimate buyer. How? By spinning your drive for a
few
> > seconds? Uh, big whoop. By taking a few extra seconds for the game to
> > boot? Once again, huh? This is bothersome? I find this thread rather
> > humorous and whole argument against a company trying to protect their
> > interests absurd. Move on Dave.

> I have to put the CD in the CD player every time I want to play the
> game, that's an inconvenience if you play more than one game at the
> time, I don't have to do that when I fire up Word, Photoshop or
> Pagemaker, so why should I for a 40 dollar piece of entertainment
> software ?

> Not that it bothers me too much in this particular case as you'll never
> find me on Sierra so the no-cd.exe works fine for me

> Beers and cheers
> (uncle) Goy
> "goyl at nettx dot no"

> "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

> "A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
> --Groucho Marx--

by **Joe Saxo** » Fri, 07 Mar 2003 08:55:05

"known to damage a drive" I HIGHLY doubt it! What does it do, instruct the
pits to reach out and yank on the laser?? Come on, you need to try harder
than that......

Joe

> > Here here. Much ado about fricking nothing. Someone posted that it
only
> > inconveniences the legitimate buyer. How? By spinning your drive for a
few
> > seconds? Uh, big whoop. By taking a few extra seconds for the game to
> > boot? Once again, huh? This is bothersome? I find this thread rather
> > humorous and whole argument against a company trying to protect their
> > interests absurd. Move on Dave.

> Such copy protection schemes have been known to damage cd drives as
> well. N2k3 is a great sim, but is it's protection worth a new cd-rw?
> It's about a lot more than spinning the drive a few seconds.

> --

> Fester

> File not found. Should I fake it? (Y/N)

by **Eldre** » Fri, 07 Mar 2003 13:38:20

>"known to damage a drive" I HIGHLY doubt it! What does it do, instruct the
>pits to reach out and yank on the laser?? Come on, you need to try harder
>than that......

You obviously didn't see all the reports of CD drives dying when N2002 came
out...

Eldred
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by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 07 Mar 2003 14:08:07

Yup..N2k2 just plain wouldn't work with some hardware and other drives
died trying to load it...
dave henrie

by **Olav Malmi** » Fri, 07 Mar 2003 16:18:38

> I keep a nocd version of the .exe and use it all the time and just use the
> old .exe and CD when I need to go online, easy enough?

no, because I don't race offline :)

ps Goy : got a note from the post office in the mail, but came how way
too late from work yesterday. Thanks mate!

> Joe

> > > Here here. Much ado about fricking nothing. Someone posted that it
> only
> > > inconveniences the legitimate buyer. How? By spinning your drive for a
> few
> > > seconds? Uh, big whoop. By taking a few extra seconds for the game to
> > > boot? Once again, huh? This is bothersome? I find this thread rather
> > > humorous and whole argument against a company trying to protect their
> > > interests absurd. Move on Dave.

> > I have to put the CD in the CD player every time I want to play the
> > game, that's an inconvenience if you play more than one game at the
> > time, I don't have to do that when I fire up Word, Photoshop or
> > Pagemaker, so why should I for a 40 dollar piece of entertainment
> > software ?

> > Not that it bothers me too much in this particular case as you'll never
> > find me on Sierra so the no-cd.exe works fine for me

> > Beers and cheers
> > (uncle) Goy
> > "goyl at nettx dot no"

> > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

> > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
> > --Groucho Marx--

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by **Goy Larse** » Fri, 07 Mar 2003 21:37:01

> ps Goy : got a note from the post office in the mail, but came how way
> too late from work yesterday. Thanks mate!

Yay :-)

Now I know what it's going to cost you too, I'll bill you a little
sooner this time around :-), glad you got it in time for the next RASCAR
race then

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
--Groucho Marx--

by **Goy Larse** » Fri, 07 Mar 2003 21:44:59

> I keep a nocd version of the .exe and use it all the time and just use the
> old .exe and CD when I need to go online, easy enough?

Not really, I don't have to have a NOCD for Word, Excel, Photoshop or
Pagemaker

MS, Adobe etc trusts me with their 1000 dollar software, Sierra don't
trust me with their 40 dollar software, thx for the vote of confidence

They also seem to think that their copy protection scheme stops the game
from being pirated, guess what, there was a warez version available at
the time N2003 reached the shops and there are programs that will allow
the average user to make useable copies for both online and offline use,
the only thing stopping them from using it on Sierra, possibly, is the
CD-key, and you don't need the CD in the drive to implement that

Like it's been said already, it's a waste of time, money and resources
and is only inconveniencing legit customers

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

"The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
--Groucho Marx--

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