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An open Letter to Sierra

Dave Henri

An open Letter to Sierra

by Dave Henri » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 08:09:24

  Today I received my purchased copy of N2k3.  At 1:07pm I began the
process of installing.  This comprised searching the web for details on
bypassing the copy protection.  After reading a couple of public forums and
downloading two programs I placed the disk in the drive.  15 minutes later
I took the disk out of the drive and and clicked on the menu icon.  N2k3
started and I installed the program.  I then rebooted per instructions.  
Before 2pm I had completely bypassed your expensive copy protection.  While
I did have experience with past versions of Daemon Tools, I was advised by
the forums to use a very unfamiliar program to write an image of the
disk.(notice I decline to call it a cdrom since I believe your abhorrent
copy protection schemes place the disk outside of the parameters
established by Phillips for a CDrom disk).  
  So in less than an hour I installed, ran and tested online the program,
all without the prescense of a disk in the cdrom tray.  I should bill your
companies for my time that I spent protecting my system from your copy
protection schemes.
   I have read that a 'Save Game' feature was not included in this version
of Nascar Racing 2003 because of the added cost to program that feature.  I
can understand that reasoning, but I am curious how much your deal with the
copy protection company cost you.  If I were you,  I'd be asking for a
large rebate or complete refund from the maker of the copy protection.  If
I was able to defeat it within an hour, I can only imagine how simple it
would be for true professionals to bypass this system.  If your company had
chosen to spend funds on improving your product instead of possibly causing
damage to my system with heinous non-standard file additions and disk
manufacturing, you might have had ample funds to program a 'Save Game'
feature.  
      Obviously your business choices show more intent to do harm to casual
computer user's systems than to deter actual software theft.  If I was
unable to bypass the copy protection on this disk, I would have returned
it.  I believe your business practice of copy-protecting by corrupting the
CDROM protocols, a purchase I have legitimately made, shows an complete and
utter DISDAIN for me, the end user.
     Your use of a key number to limit online participation should be more
than sufficient to deter multiple copies of the program being bought and
sold.  But by adding onerous. and ultimately non-effective, copy protection
schemes does not benefit your company, or your customer.  I am sure though,
the Secure Rom or Safe Disk programmers value your financial contributions
to their bank accounts.
Dave Henrie    
2928 W Wellesley Ave
Spokane, Wa. 99205
1 (509) 328-7626

Colin Harri

An open Letter to Sierra

by Colin Harri » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 08:12:16


Right, lads, what are we gonna do with this info? :-))))))))

DJSpeed

An open Letter to Sierra

by DJSpeed » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 08:19:25

Wow Dave.  Thanks for the info.  Here's another sale lost by Sierra, based
on the info you provided.  I certainly don't want "malicious" things in my
system.


[snipped]

Jan Verschuere

An open Letter to Sierra

by Jan Verschuere » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 08:21:03

I see your point, but have a question.... why do you trust Daemon Tools to
emulate a CD-ROM drive on your system over Sierra/Papyrus' copy protection
agent?

Jan.
=---

Doug Elliso

An open Letter to Sierra

by Doug Elliso » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 08:28:49


It's a good point - I remember either N4 or N2k2 not working at all on a few
drives - thats just pathetic

Doug

Goy Larse

An open Letter to Sierra

by Goy Larse » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 08:32:55


>   Today I received my purchased copy of N2k3.  At 1:07pm I began the
> process of installing.  This comprised searching the web for details on
> bypassing the copy protection.  After reading a couple of public forums and
> downloading two programs I placed the disk in the drive.  15 minutes later
> I took the disk out of the drive and and clicked on the menu icon.  N2k3
> started and I installed the program.  I then rebooted per instructions.
> Before 2pm I had completely bypassed your expensive copy protection.  While
> I did have experience with past versions of Daemon Tools, I was advised by
> the forums to use a very unfamiliar program to write an image of the
> disk.(notice I decline to call it a cdrom since I believe your abhorrent
> copy protection schemes place the disk outside of the parameters
> established by Phillips for a CDrom disk).
>   So in less than an hour I installed, ran and tested online the program,
> all without the prescense of a disk in the cdrom tray.  I should bill your
> companies for my time that I spent protecting my system from your copy
> protection schemes.
>    I have read that a 'Save Game' feature was not included in this version
> of Nascar Racing 2003 because of the added cost to program that feature.  I
> can understand that reasoning, but I am curious how much your deal with the
> copy protection company cost you.  If I were you,  I'd be asking for a
> large rebate or complete refund from the maker of the copy protection.  If
> I was able to defeat it within an hour, I can only imagine how simple it
> would be for true professionals to bypass this system.  If your company had
> chosen to spend funds on improving your product instead of possibly causing
> damage to my system with heinous non-standard file additions and disk
> manufacturing, you might have had ample funds to program a 'Save Game'
> feature.
>       Obviously your business choices show more intent to do harm to casual
> computer user's systems than to deter actual software theft.  If I was
> unable to bypass the copy protection on this disk, I would have returned
> it.  I believe your business practice of copy-protecting by corrupting the
> CDROM protocols, a purchase I have legitimately made, shows an complete and
> utter DISDAIN for me, the end user.
>      Your use of a key number to limit online participation should be more
> than sufficient to deter multiple copies of the program being bought and
> sold.  But by adding onerous. and ultimately non-effective, copy protection
> schemes does not benefit your company, or your customer.  I am sure though,
> the Secure Rom or Safe Disk programmers value your financial contributions
> to their bank accounts.
> Dave Henrie

Well said Dave

(entire post quoted on purpose)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Virtuou

An open Letter to Sierra

by Virtuou » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 08:36:44

Sierra is run by a bunch of losers.



Dave Henri

An open Letter to Sierra

by Dave Henri » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 09:06:02

"Jan Verschueren" <jan.NO_SPAM.ve

   I don't necessarily trust Daemon over other companies..but I know my
cdrom is sitting idle instead of gronking for 30 or 40 seconds before the
program begins to load.  The wear and tear on my cdrom drive is worth
attempting another way to load.  
dave henrie

Dave Henri

An open Letter to Sierra

by Dave Henri » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 09:07:33





>> Dave Henrie
>> 2928 W Wellesley Ave
>> Spokane, Wa. 99205
>> 1 (509) 328-7626

> Right, lads, what are we gonna do with this info? :-))))))))

  anybody with any smarts could find all that and more in minutes.  I trust
my fellow rasers (except the kite flyers!) and I'm not hiding when I state
my opinion.
dave henrie
Marc Collin

An open Letter to Sierra

by Marc Collin » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 09:05:50

What malicious things are those?

Marc


> Wow Dave.  Thanks for the info.  Here's another sale lost by Sierra, based
> on the info you provided.  I certainly don't want "malicious" things in my
> system.



> [snipped]

Marc Collin

An open Letter to Sierra

by Marc Collin » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 09:06:39

Great question...

Marc


Phil Le

An open Letter to Sierra

by Phil Le » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 09:25:43


What was the tool you used to write the CD image?

Phil
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Race Sim Central Administrator
http://www.racesimcentral.com

Bob

An open Letter to Sierra

by Bob » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 09:30:42

For some reason I always thought you were located across the pond.  Now come
to find out you're in my backyard...I'm in Hayden, ID.
It's a small world after all :-)

Dave Henri

An open Letter to Sierra

by Dave Henri » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 09:36:31

"Phil Lee"

*** 120%
dh

John Simmon

An open Letter to Sierra

by John Simmon » Thu, 06 Mar 2003 09:38:55


says...

>   Today I received my purchased copy of N2k3.  At 1:07pm I began the
> process of installing.  This comprised searching the web for details on
> bypassing the copy protection.  After reading a couple of public forums and
> downloading two programs I placed the disk in the drive.  15 minutes later
> I took the disk out of the drive and and clicked on the menu icon.  N2k3
> started and I installed the program.  I then rebooted per instructions.  
> Before 2pm I had completely bypassed your expensive copy protection.  While
> I did have experience with past versions of Daemon Tools, I was advised by
> the forums to use a very unfamiliar program to write an image of the
> disk.(notice I decline to call it a cdrom since I believe your abhorrent
> copy protection schemes place the disk outside of the parameters
> established by Phillips for a CDrom disk).  
>   So in less than an hour I installed, ran and tested online the program,
> all without the prescense of a disk in the cdrom tray.  I should bill your
> companies for my time that I spent protecting my system from your copy
> protection schemes.
>    I have read that a 'Save Game' feature was not included in this version
> of Nascar Racing 2003 because of the added cost to program that feature.  I
> can understand that reasoning, but I am curious how much your deal with the
> copy protection company cost you.  If I were you,  I'd be asking for a
> large rebate or complete refund from the maker of the copy protection.  If
> I was able to defeat it within an hour, I can only imagine how simple it
> would be for true professionals to bypass this system.  If your company had
> chosen to spend funds on improving your product instead of possibly causing
> damage to my system with heinous non-standard file additions and disk
> manufacturing, you might have had ample funds to program a 'Save Game'
> feature.  
>       Obviously your business choices show more intent to do harm to casual
> computer user's systems than to deter actual software theft.  If I was
> unable to bypass the copy protection on this disk, I would have returned
> it.  I believe your business practice of copy-protecting by corrupting the
> CDROM protocols, a purchase I have legitimately made, shows an complete and
> utter DISDAIN for me, the end user.
>      Your use of a key number to limit online participation should be more
> than sufficient to deter multiple copies of the program being bought and
> sold.  But by adding onerous. and ultimately non-effective, copy protection
> schemes does not benefit your company, or your customer.  I am sure though,
> the Secure Rom or Safe Disk programmers value your financial contributions
> to their bank accounts.
> Dave Henrie    
> 2928 W Wellesley Ave
> Spokane, Wa. 99205
> 1 (509) 328-7626


Dave?  You gonna share the wealth buddy?

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