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GPL - Ok, I'm converted to 0 deadzone and full linear!

Ale

GPL - Ok, I'm converted to 0 deadzone and full linear!

by Ale » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 13:11:55




>>8:32 currently.  I ran a three lap session a couple of days ago - all
>>times were over 8:45...  I have the steering full linear now, driver
>>arms were always off, haven't turned off the hack yet.  Why use
>>headphones?

> Oh I forgot to tell that, I turned the hack off a couple of days ago
> and I feel it helps a lot at the ring. The constant switch between
> slower and faster corners on the Ring are not really suited for using
> the hack. I turn it back on for track like Rouen, Mexico and Monaco
> though, easier to take the hairpins then.

I know I should not be saying that, but in Mexico enabled hack
costs a lot of time, because it messes up very important section
between hairpin and esses. When I turned it off I got almost 1 sec
improvement. To some extent it also applies to Rouen (again the
section after the hairpin).

But of course, it is only my opinion :)

Alex
(alexti)

Simon Brow

GPL - Ok, I'm converted to 0 deadzone and full linear!

by Simon Brow » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 18:35:49

Well, there's nothing wrong with shifting on sound, just wait till the sound
is a little higher :)  I don't know which Ferrari you've got installed, but
with the one I have, the red-line stops on the figure "11" if you rev the
engine in neutral.  In the Ferrari I shift just before this, on about 10.8,
whereas you shift about on the "10".  It's not a big deal, but it will mean
you don't quite have optimum acceleration.

Actually, just on sound, what i've done with my copy of GPL is found an
engine sound I liked and copied it for all the cars, so they all sound the
same.  I then edited each individual engine sound to change the pitch for
each car so that when they were all at max revs they all produce the same
pitch (or note).  Now, whatever car I'm in, I always shift on the same
pitch.  This makes switching between cars extremely easy, plus I think it's
helped my driving in general.

On braking, a few months ago, I used to leave a massive trail of black smoke
into every braking zone :) particularly in long braking zones, like before
lesmo 1 and parabolica at Monza.  Now I use less brake pedal, brake later
and spin way less.  Obviously my Monza time is only 0.01 better than yours
so I'm not claiming to be a Monza expert, but I think most drivers would
advise you to work on this.  You'd probably be amazed at how deep into
parabolica a real top driver (Huttu etc) can brake, plus they brake in a
curve and not a straight line, and it's impossible to do these things if the
brakes are locked.

15 laps in a weekend is a lot, you're right.  You probably don't have the
free time to bo doing that same amount per day over a whole week, especially
when there's no guarantee it'd help.  You need to convince your brain that
you should be going quicker.

Before Christmas I was stuck on 8:48.  I also couldn't see how it was
possible to go faster, since it was a really nice clean lap in the Lotus.  I
did loads of laps trying to beat it, to the point of total frustration.  I
had just about given up and decided to do one last flying lap.  I screwed up
my last lap on the first turn!!  I was so totally pi**ed off that I drove
the rest of the lap in a minor rage, attacking every corner, not giving a
damn whether I crashed or not.  Half way through the lap I noticed how much
faster than usual I was driving, and when I finished the lap it was about
8:50 (IIRC) with about 15 seconds of time lost in spins.

The next day I was able to drive in the same agressive manner, do a clean
lap and got to 8:35, and then 8:32 a few days after that.

Since you seem to be stuck, I think you should try something like this.  Do
some laps but not going for a PB, just forget the time, don't worry if you
crash 50 times, just try to take every single corner a lot more agressively
(and quicker) than you usually do.  Just go into every corner 15-20% faster
and see if the cars comes out the other end.  I've seen from your 8:38 that
you know how to avoid spins and when to correct the car, so I'm convinved
you have the skill to control the car at higher speeds.
:)




> It's supposed to be threshold braking.  If the tires don't lock when I
brake,

<snip>

> We'll see.  I've run 15 laps over a weekend before, with no improvement.

> Eldred

> --
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> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59...

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
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Eldre

GPL - Ok, I'm converted to 0 deadzone and full linear!

by Eldre » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 23:06:48



>Well, there's nothing wrong with shifting on sound, just wait till the sound
>is a little higher :)  I don't know which Ferrari you've got installed, but
>with the one I have, the red-line stops on the figure "11" if you rev the
>engine in neutral.  In the Ferrari I shift just before this, on about 10.8,
>whereas you shift about on the "10".  It's not a big deal, but it will mean
>you don't quite have optimum acceleration.

Thanks.  I'm using the standard***pit.  I never knew what the markings were.
Even if I did, I didn't know where I was *supposed* to shift anyway.

Yeah, I've seen those laps - amazing.  When I tried to brake in the same spot,
I slid right off the track.  I've had other people tell me I need to brake
earlier, though...

Oh, I know that I *should* be going quicker...<g>

Yeah, I've had the same thing happen.  For the longest time, my PB was a lap
that included a spin.  I couldn't even get close on a clean lap...

Hehe..."see if the car comes out the other end..."  I like that<g>.

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.racesimcentral.net/~epickett
F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59...

Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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Jon Anderse

GPL - Ok, I'm converted to 0 deadzone and full linear!

by Jon Anderse » Sun, 01 Jul 2001 06:17:39

You're too old, Eldred :-) The fast guys are 16-25 years old. Those of us
older than 25 probably have had too many scary experiences in real life
driving at public roads to challenge the limits of GPL.

I studied your fast laps about a year ago. I was the one stating that you
drove as you actually had payed for the car.

You drive too cleanly to be really fast :-)

I'll admit that I haven't studied your laps since then, but from your
postings, I'm led to believe that you still are struggling with some simple
facts: Using the whole track improves lap times. You should have a slight
understeer at the entry of almost every turn (because of the high slip
angles in GPL, grip is better when turning the wheel slightly more than what
seems visually sensible).

If driving the Lotus: Accelerate in 2nd or 3rd, even though 1st or 2nd feels
more natural. Higher gears reduces wheelspin, which in he long run improves
lap times.

Good corner exits are *far* more important than braking late. Braking late
is easy. Having good corner exits are hard. You may gain a 10th of a second
by braking late. But you'll probably have a slide, reducing exit speed. The
lack of exit speed will result in lower speed at the following straight.
This lack of speed lasts for a longer period of time than the time gained by
late braking. Naturally, the longer the straights, or the more straights,
the bigger is the time loss by too late braking.

Besides: If your tires are squealing while braking in a straight line,
you're braking too hard. Braking distance will be shortened if you manage to
brake at the edge of squealing (I''l admint that my tires squeals as well;
it's a psychological thing: If the tires don't squeal, I think I can brake
some more).

Jon Andersen,
drives like his GPL car was a rental car


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