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RASCAR: Bristol Race Recap - NO YELLOWS!!! GREAT JOB GUYS

Larr

RASCAR: Bristol Race Recap - NO YELLOWS!!! GREAT JOB GUYS

by Larr » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:54:54

I think we did better than the real racers tonight :)

Next up, Darlington!  Oh, my :)

That's my absolute worst track.  I've never been able to get my head around
that place.

It's like a 90 year old IRP.  Darlilngton should have been burned to the
ground and turned into a strip-mall 20 years ago.

IMHO :)

-Larry


Larr

RASCAR: Bristol Race Recap - NO YELLOWS!!! GREAT JOB GUYS

by Larr » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:55:42

Not really.

We had some nice long runs.

But cautions breed cautions.  The real-life guys had the same problem
tonight.

Our performance was no worse than theirs was :)

-Larry



> Caution Flags: 22 (87 laps) a caution every 4laps? :)



> > "grubbat" wrote...
> > > Way to go guys!! That was a lot of fun. I have never raced
> > > BRISTOL with no cautions. That shows the high caliber of
> > > this group of RASCAR sim racers and how even though they
> > > may considered 'novice' by some,  can still compete
> > > at a track at BRISTOL and not draw one single caution.
> > >     My hats off to the group.

> > > As for Mitch, pal, what can I say. You the man!!!!!!!!!

> > Nice bit of irony/sarcasm, Grub, but, IMO and in view of questionable
> > connection quality, it went as well as could be expected.

> > Obviously people do silly things like racing for 13th like it's life or
> > death or trying to make up for an early mistake on a first lap of a
> restart,
> > but we are talking about a group of mostly (and I do say mostly) casual
> > racers here. In fact, I might argue people trust eachother a little too
> much
> > for smooth online play. If people were more wary of eachother, perhaps
> there
> > would be less incidents.

> > Anyhow, we can *** and moan about it and***the rest of RAS off, or
> just
> > take our lumps and try to do a better one next week.

> > My $0.02,

> > Jan.
> > =---

David Powel

RASCAR: Bristol Race Recap - NO YELLOWS!!! GREAT JOB GUYS

by David Powel » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 12:59:02

hehe


> Not really.

> We had some nice long runs.

> But cautions breed cautions.  The real-life guys had the same problem
> tonight.

> Our performance was no worse than theirs was :)

> -Larry



> > Caution Flags: 22 (87 laps) a caution every 4laps? :)



> > > "grubbat" wrote...
> > > > Way to go guys!! That was a lot of fun. I have never raced
> > > > BRISTOL with no cautions. That shows the high caliber of
> > > > this group of RASCAR sim racers and how even though they
> > > > may considered 'novice' by some,  can still compete
> > > > at a track at BRISTOL and not draw one single caution.
> > > >     My hats off to the group.

> > > > As for Mitch, pal, what can I say. You the man!!!!!!!!!

> > > Nice bit of irony/sarcasm, Grub, but, IMO and in view of questionable
> > > connection quality, it went as well as could be expected.

> > > Obviously people do silly things like racing for 13th like it's life
or
> > > death or trying to make up for an early mistake on a first lap of a
> > restart,
> > > but we are talking about a group of mostly (and I do say mostly)
casual
> > > racers here. In fact, I might argue people trust eachother a little
too
> > much
> > > for smooth online play. If people were more wary of eachother, perhaps
> > there
> > > would be less incidents.

> > > Anyhow, we can *** and moan about it and***the rest of RAS off,
or
> > just
> > > take our lumps and try to do a better one next week.

> > > My $0.02,

> > > Jan.
> > > =---

Larr

RASCAR: Bristol Race Recap - NO YELLOWS!!! GREAT JOB GUYS

by Larr » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:18:07

Dave,

Yeah, it got us once too :(

The top 8 or so of us just stayed in line for like 40 or 50 laps.  I think
that was pretty smart.  I started to get a just a little bit faster than you
(probably tires), and the cars ahead were starting to get away a bit, so I
decided that if a safe opportunity came to pass you, I'd go ahead and do it.
You were warp-weaving just a bit, like most of us, but I figured as long as
there was enough room we'd bee ok.

I was wrong :)

I got a run and went under you on one of the straights.  Both our lines were
fine, no problems.  Then, WHAMMO!  Out of no where we are both spinning.

I think everyone had to deal with that during the race at least once or
twice.  It was VERY scary to try and pass some of the slower cars that were
all over the track because of warp.

I'm not sure why, but Uwe and Neil seemed to be getting the worse of the
warp.  Not their fault, just the way it was.

Jan and I seemed to be warp-magnets :)  Sorry Jan :)

Finally, sorry to the (I believe) 27 car.  I rear-ended you and I didn't
mean to do it.  I didn't realize I had so high a closure on you, I was hard
on the brakes LONG before I ever got to you, but the closure rate was just
too much.

Given the warp issues, I don't think it was all that bad.

-Larry



> Five wide through the turns lap after lap!

> Seriously though, warp was a big problem for some reason today. It was
being
> mentioned the whole race in chat. Guys were blinking and shaking all over
> the place. I know from looking at my replay that I was hit twice from
behind
> and both times it was warp that caused it, not whoever the driver was.
Jan's
> car appeared to me to be drifting wide due to warp, I went low, and then
it
> skittered back inside where it really was and we touched. There's three
> incidents due to yellows right there. Maybe all the storms here in the
U.S.
> today have got things jumping on the net a bit.

> David G Fisher



> >     Way to go guys!! That was a lot of fun. I have never raced BRISTOL
> with
> > no cautions. That shows the high caliber of this group of RASCAR sim
> racers
> > and how even though they may considered 'novice' by some,  can still
> compete
> > at a track at BRISTOL and not draw one single caution.
> >     My hats off to the group.

> > As for Mitch, pal, what can I say. You the man!!!!!!!!!
> > grub :)

Larr

RASCAR: Bristol Race Recap - NO YELLOWS!!! GREAT JOB GUYS

by Larr » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:22:25

Not really questionable :)  You were still doing 8000 RPM deep into the turn
when you ***-slapped me :)

Apology accepted.  Next Race!

-Larry


> I already sent him a replay that CLEARLY shows him warp 2 car lengths up
and
> forward then back into me exiting T2.  I told him it was warp but he
clearly
> makes his attitude towards me known and refuses warp as an acceptable
reason
> for the incident.

> As far as Dan and David and Larry it's kinda questionable but  I'm truly
> sorry for those incidents and accept full responsibility.  Bristol has
only
> one real passing opportunity and thats a dive pass unfortunately.

> As far as you Simmons, GO TO HELL ***!!!  I didn't think it was possible
> for you to be a bigger *** than here on RAS but I guess I was wrong!

> Mitch



> > "grubbat" wrote...
> > > Way to go guys!! That was a lot of fun. I have never raced
> > > BRISTOL with no cautions. That shows the high caliber of
> > > this group of RASCAR sim racers and how even though they
> > > may considered 'novice' by some,  can still compete
> > > at a track at BRISTOL and not draw one single caution.
> > >     My hats off to the group.

> > > As for Mitch, pal, what can I say. You the man!!!!!!!!!

> > Nice bit of irony/sarcasm, Grub, but, IMO and in view of questionable
> > connection quality, it went as well as could be expected.

> > Obviously people do silly things like racing for 13th like it's life or
> > death or trying to make up for an early mistake on a first lap of a
> restart,
> > but we are talking about a group of mostly (and I do say mostly) casual
> > racers here. In fact, I might argue people trust eachother a little too
> much
> > for smooth online play. If people were more wary of eachother, perhaps
> there
> > would be less incidents.

> > Anyhow, we can *** and moan about it and***the rest of RAS off, or
> just
> > take our lumps and try to do a better one next week.

> > My $0.02,

> > Jan.
> > =---

Larr

RASCAR: Bristol Race Recap - NO YELLOWS!!! GREAT JOB GUYS

by Larr » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 13:26:06

BTW... What's up with Ward Burton?

He should have been pissed at himself for trying to block off Dale Jr.  Dale
had a run, he didn't like it, he came down, he paid the price.

And for this Dale gets the proverbial 'glove in the face' ?

I think he'll probably apologize after he see's what happened.  It was a
typical Bristol thing and he got the worst of it.

-Larry



> hehe



> > Not really.

> > We had some nice long runs.

> > But cautions breed cautions.  The real-life guys had the same problem
> > tonight.

> > Our performance was no worse than theirs was :)

> > -Larry



> > > Caution Flags: 22 (87 laps) a caution every 4laps? :)



> > > > "grubbat" wrote...
> > > > > Way to go guys!! That was a lot of fun. I have never raced
> > > > > BRISTOL with no cautions. That shows the high caliber of
> > > > > this group of RASCAR sim racers and how even though they
> > > > > may considered 'novice' by some,  can still compete
> > > > > at a track at BRISTOL and not draw one single caution.
> > > > >     My hats off to the group.

> > > > > As for Mitch, pal, what can I say. You the man!!!!!!!!!

> > > > Nice bit of irony/sarcasm, Grub, but, IMO and in view of
questionable
> > > > connection quality, it went as well as could be expected.

> > > > Obviously people do silly things like racing for 13th like it's life
> or
> > > > death or trying to make up for an early mistake on a first lap of a
> > > restart,
> > > > but we are talking about a group of mostly (and I do say mostly)
> casual
> > > > racers here. In fact, I might argue people trust eachother a little
> too
> > > much
> > > > for smooth online play. If people were more wary of eachother,
perhaps
> > > there
> > > > would be less incidents.

> > > > Anyhow, we can *** and moan about it and***the rest of RAS off,
> or
> > > just
> > > > take our lumps and try to do a better one next week.

> > > > My $0.02,

> > > > Jan.
> > > > =---

Ian

RASCAR: Bristol Race Recap - NO YELLOWS!!! GREAT JOB GUYS

by Ian » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:25:49

There was a serious lag problem last night in RASCAR, I was running in 2nd
and keeping in line because people were just blinking in and out and warping
all over the place.
Then my connection crapped out and I was disconnected, must have been a bad
router somewhere along the way because Sierra.com worked but no pings to the
servers. I joined again with another ISP but by the time I got back in I was
10 laps down.
I thought I'd stay in and see how many cars I could pass. None. There was
just too much warping to make a safe pass, especially considering it wasn't
for position, so I just parked it and left.
The only chance of making passes were when the cars had spun off track, but
that's hardly racing ;)

--

Ian P
<email invalid due to spam>



> Caution Flags: 22 (87 laps) a caution every 4laps? :)



> > "grubbat" wrote...
> > > Way to go guys!! That was a lot of fun. I have never raced
> > > BRISTOL with no cautions. That shows the high caliber of
> > > this group of RASCAR sim racers and how even though they
> > > may considered 'novice' by some,  can still compete
> > > at a track at BRISTOL and not draw one single caution.
> > >     My hats off to the group.

> > > As for Mitch, pal, what can I say. You the man!!!!!!!!!

> > Nice bit of irony/sarcasm, Grub, but, IMO and in view of questionable
> > connection quality, it went as well as could be expected.

> > Obviously people do silly things like racing for 13th like it's life or
> > death or trying to make up for an early mistake on a first lap of a
> restart,
> > but we are talking about a group of mostly (and I do say mostly) casual
> > racers here. In fact, I might argue people trust eachother a little too
> much
> > for smooth online play. If people were more wary of eachother, perhaps
> there
> > would be less incidents.

> > Anyhow, we can *** and moan about it and***the rest of RAS off, or
> just
> > take our lumps and try to do a better one next week.

> > My $0.02,

> > Jan.
> > =---

JTBur

RASCAR: Bristol Race Recap - NO YELLOWS!!! GREAT JOB GUYS

by JTBur » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:52:30

Too bad. Not a very realistic race :>)  I believe there were more than 20
cautions in the NASCAR race last night !!

Todd


Jan Verschuere

RASCAR: Bristol Race Recap - NO YELLOWS!!! GREAT JOB GUYS

by Jan Verschuere » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:39:57

Wasn't just warp Ian. If you look at the practise times you'll see most of
the 20 car field lapped within half a second. So the best one could hope for
on a lap basis, provided one can "bundle" all the difference into one spot
on the track, is to get alongside.

So to pass safely in the driving/line sense of the word one had to take a
lot of risk with reference to warp (by staying side by side for the better
part of a lap) and to minimise the risk of warp getting in the way of a pass
one had to take risks with regard to sliding up the track/squeezing one's
opponent. No win situation.

Like I said, onwards and upwards. Darlington with an evil setup (IMO)...
<sigh>

Jan.
=---

jason moy

RASCAR: Bristol Race Recap - NO YELLOWS!!! GREAT JOB GUYS

by jason moy » Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:43:47

On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 04:21:17 +0100, "David Powell"


>We could meet on equal ground in LFS if you wish?...but having a 25.92 in
>the Turbo just makes me a hotlapper, so your bound to beat me <G>....Oh I
>forgot that was a racelap LOL.....

=p

Ok.  I played the game for about 2 hours a week the first 2-3 months
it was out before putting it back on the shelf, so you should be able
to catch up quickly. =)

Jason

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David Powel

RASCAR: Bristol Race Recap - NO YELLOWS!!! GREAT JOB GUYS

by David Powel » Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:09:37

are you going to pay for my copy of n2k2, and get it shipped to my home
also?


> On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 04:21:17 +0100, "David Powell"

> >We could meet on equal ground in LFS if you wish?...but having a 25.92 in
> >the Turbo just makes me a hotlapper, so your bound to beat me <G>....Oh I
> >forgot that was a racelap LOL.....

> =p

> >I could buy N2k2 then give me as many laps as you in it, then we can race
> >hows that? <G>.....

> Ok.  I played the game for about 2 hours a week the first 2-3 months
> it was out before putting it back on the shelf, so you should be able
> to catch up quickly. =)

> Jason

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John Simmon

RASCAR: Bristol Race Recap - NO YELLOWS!!! GREAT JOB GUYS

by John Simmon » Tue, 27 Aug 2002 00:28:36



I managed to pass and be passed (With the exception of Mitch on lap 25)
all night without hitting anyone.  I don't agree that the warp was that
big of an issue.  A lack of patience was just as big of a problem IMHO.

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RASCAR: Bristol Race Recap - NO YELLOWS!!! GREAT JOB GUYS

by David Powel » Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:01:11

p.s its still fun to see your logging VROC chat, you dont speak so there
isnt another reason is there :) do chatlogs of endless bullshit stimulate
you ***ly?

<G>


> On Sun, 25 Aug 2002 04:21:17 +0100, "David Powell"

> >We could meet on equal ground in LFS if you wish?...but having a 25.92 in
> >the Turbo just makes me a hotlapper, so your bound to beat me <G>....Oh I
> >forgot that was a racelap LOL.....

> =p

> >I could buy N2k2 then give me as many laps as you in it, then we can race
> >hows that? <G>.....

> Ok.  I played the game for about 2 hours a week the first 2-3 months
> it was out before putting it back on the shelf, so you should be able
> to catch up quickly. =)

> Jason

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Mitch_

RASCAR: Bristol Race Recap - NO YELLOWS!!! GREAT JOB GUYS

by Mitch_ » Tue, 27 Aug 2002 01:18:34

Youre so full of shit...

YOU HIT THE WALL ALL BY YOURSELF....  Then took out I think Brian with you.

BTW, this after passing me under yellow you ***..

Actually I thought you were giving me MY position back like a real man would
have.  I cleanly passed your slowass twice :-)

Talk to the HAND  ..I..

Mitch




> > "Ian P" wrote...
> > > <snip>
> > > I thought I'd stay in and see how many cars I could pass.
> > > None. There was just too much warping to make a safe pass,
> > > especially considering it wasn't for position.

> > Wasn't just warp Ian. If you look at the practise times you'll see most
of
> > the 20 car field lapped within half a second. So the best one could hope
for
> > on a lap basis, provided one can "bundle" all the difference into one
spot
> > on the track, is to get alongside.

> > So to pass safely in the driving/line sense of the word one had to take
a
> > lot of risk with reference to warp (by staying side by side for the
better
> > part of a lap) and to minimise the risk of warp getting in the way of a
pass
> > one had to take risks with regard to sliding up the track/squeezing
one's
> > opponent. No win situation.

> > Like I said, onwards and upwards. Darlington with an evil setup (IMO)...
> > <sigh>

> I managed to pass and be passed (With the exception of Mitch on lap 25)
> all night without hitting anyone.  I don't agree that the warp was that
> big of an issue.  A lack of patience was just as big of a problem IMHO.

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RASCAR: Bristol Race Recap - NO YELLOWS!!! GREAT JOB GUYS

by John Simmon » Tue, 27 Aug 2002 02:02:11

Check the replay Mitch.  I was at half throttle from the turn all the
way to the s/f line.  I certainly wasn't racing to the caution, and you
had plenty of opportunity to re-pass me before I took the caution.  As a
reminder, "not racing back to the caution" does NOT mean "stop on the
track so some whiney little *** can get her perceived rightful
position back".

Because you thought I "done you wrong", you proceeded to ram me twice
while under caution.

You ended up wrecking me as part of an over-aggressive move to pass me
at all costs (revenge for assuming I wasn't intending to let you pass me
on the way back to the s/f line?).  Your stupid passing move resulted in
at least half the field being involved.

If you simply can't see it the same way, maybe you should go have your
head surgically removed from your ***pore so you can see things more
clearly. (and I mean that in a nice way)



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