rec.autos.simulators

by **Chad Roger** » Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:15:25

I have not been a fan of the F1 series stuff, but GTR feels very different
to me and I love it. You are doing a ton a people a disservice by telling
them all this is just a rehash of GTR 2002, not even close. If you do in
fact have the game I am very surprised you feel that way.
Your facts about the Papy engine are far from being what happened and I am
not trying to bash Papy, I love them.
GTR feels great to me and I will love it until hopefully GTR2 comes as well
as the first stuff.
The rfactor demo looks like it will have great potential as well, hopefully
something that great things can be built around.
Just trying to give a positive voice to those that might want to try it, I
find it to be the best driving experience available right now by a long
ways.

Chad

>> I agree with tony on this one.Having been a long time simmer and having
>> played ISI and papy games for years,to me its clear that rfactor has a
> feel
>> to it unlike any other ISI game and its as close to papy quality as i
>> have
>> seen by another developer.
>> Lets face it,ISI physics engines have always had a foreign,numb feel to
> them
>> compared to papyrus engines.A lot of that is down to their poor tyre
>> model,something which papy excelled on in NR2003.
>> GTR is more of the same and is nothing more than an official f1C mod.
>> Rfactor feels far better and advanced than GTR.Its far more dynamic and
>> fluid in feel and handling.
>> Definalty a step up.

>> Please stop trying to defend the old ISI engines.They stunk.

> I'm not.

by **Jan Verschuere** » Mon, 15 Nov 2004 19:00:20

"Rinda Lynn Ferguson" wrot...

Yeah, I've watched it several times over and, yup, I'm getting old too (we
could be an item <vbseg>).

I think the film, despite the "Hollywood" storyline, depects certain aspects
of racing really well.

It takes someone who can't do what it takes to know what it takes... trust
me on this one.

Jan.
=---

by **Tony Rickar** » Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:12:20

> Don't worry, Jan - I've still got my sanity. The comments in this thread
> are quite amusing - especially to those of us in the know. ;-)

> What people in this thread are basically saying is that they can't handle
> proper racing slicks with their unforgiving slip curves. The tyres in
> rFactor are some of the most forgiving I've ever seen modelled in a sim.

We poor sods better start up rasdks then -
rec.autos.simulators.don't.know.shit and leave ras for for the real racing
drivers...

by **Tony Rickar** » Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:17:52

"Jan Verschueren"

I *think* I'll take that as a compliment :)

by **Byron Forbe** » Mon, 15 Nov 2004 20:55:49

Here's a few comments I found interesting in my *** travels at the GTR
forum over the last day or 2 -

THE GOOD -
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we cant arrange 24h events before we and you got the addon. we are
implementing the events now but we have to wait till simbin released the
addon.

THE BAD -
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the join lag is terrible (but i dont know if u can handle it.... other games
with this engine got the problem too, i hope so)
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If u set Grafiksettings to low and u drive Enna Pergusa the Tires
(blockades) on the street are missed!
but they wasnt visible they are missed physical too! U can drive through
simply.
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So what are the strengths/weaknesses compared to Papy NR2003 replay system?

You can't see:
- the speed
- the gear
- the lap time
- a little list of the racepositions. The position of the actual viewed car
is displayed on top left corner of the screen

You can't select a car directly, you've to cycle through the cars with "+"
and "-" (numpad)

The (instant) replay isn't available in online races!

What is better: The replay file size is extremly small compared to Papy

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by JP » Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:08:31

Um, I haven't said a single word anywhere about GTR..........might want to
be sure you're replying to the correct poster before hitting that key <g>

p.s. I like it anyway.

> I have not been a fan of the F1 series stuff, but GTR feels very different
> to me and I love it. You are doing a ton a people a disservice by telling
> them all this is just a rehash of GTR 2002, not even close. If you do in
> fact have the game I am very surprised you feel that way.
> Your facts about the Papy engine are far from being what happened and I am
> not trying to bash Papy, I love them.
> GTR feels great to me and I will love it until hopefully GTR2 comes as
well
> as the first stuff.
> The rfactor demo looks like it will have great potential as well,
hopefully
> something that great things can be built around.
> Just trying to give a positive voice to those that might want to try it, I
> find it to be the best driving experience available right now by a long
> ways.

> Chad

> >> I agree with tony on this one.Having been a long time simmer and having
> >> played ISI and papy games for years,to me its clear that rfactor has a
> > feel
> >> to it unlike any other ISI game and its as close to papy quality as i
> >> have
> >> seen by another developer.
> >> Lets face it,ISI physics engines have always had a foreign,numb feel to
> > them
> >> compared to papyrus engines.A lot of that is down to their poor tyre
> >> model,something which papy excelled on in NR2003.
> >> GTR is more of the same and is nothing more than an official f1C mod.
> >> Rfactor feels far better and advanced than GTR.Its far more dynamic and
> >> fluid in feel and handling.
> >> Definalty a step up.

> >> Please stop trying to defend the old ISI engines.They stunk.

> > I'm not.

by **Rinda Lynn Ferguso** » Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:31:04

oh, yeah, I agree it depects racing very well. That's why I can watch that
movie over and over again. For me, it takes me home.

I have been a fan of NASCAR since the Janet Guthrie days.

I can trust you on that one. I not able to get out and do what she did.
And, I admire what all it took for her to get out there and do that in both
Indy styles and Stocks.

I extremely admire what those guys get out there and do every weekend now.

Dang, I wish it was three hours from now.

Darlington - Lady in Black - the only thing, when are those guys going to
learn you can't tame a lady? <lol>

Rinda

by JP » Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:58:28

Iirc, Bobby Hamilton drove a car with a camera mounted to it, that the
film makers used for various race shots. Daytona I think.

> oh, yeah, I agree it depects racing very well. That's why I can watch
that
> movie over and over again. For me, it takes me home.

> I have been a fan of NASCAR since the Janet Guthrie days.

> I can trust you on that one. I not able to get out and do what she did.
> And, I admire what all it took for her to get out there and do that in
both
> Indy styles and Stocks.

> I extremely admire what those guys get out there and do every weekend now.

> Dang, I wish it was three hours from now.

> Darlington - Lady in Black - the only thing, when are those guys going to
> learn you can't tame a lady? <lol>

> Rinda

> > "Rinda Lynn Ferguson" wrot...
> > > *wonders if Jan has ever seen "Days of Thunder" *

> > > How long has it been since that movie first came out?

> > > Like 12 to 14 years ago...

> > > Dang I'm getting old.

> > Yeah, I've watched it several times over and, yup, I'm getting old too
(we
> > could be an item <vbseg>).

> > I think the film, despite the "Hollywood" storyline, depects certain
> aspects
> > of racing really well.

> > It takes someone who can't do what it takes to know what it takes...
trust
> > me on this one.

> > Jan.
> > =---

by **Rinda Lynn Ferguso** » Tue, 16 Nov 2004 00:54:22

Bobby Hamilton...(mannn... was he hurting at the end of that truck race last
night)

I didn't realize it was his car that had those camera mounts...

That something cool to know....

Thanks JP...

<g>

RindaLynn

> Iirc, Bobby Hamilton drove a car with a camera mounted to it, that the
> film makers used for various race shots. Daytona I think.

> > oh, yeah, I agree it depects racing very well. That's why I can watch
> that
> > movie over and over again. For me, it takes me home.

> > I have been a fan of NASCAR since the Janet Guthrie days.

> > I can trust you on that one. I not able to get out and do what she did.
> > And, I admire what all it took for her to get out there and do that in
> both
> > Indy styles and Stocks.

> > I extremely admire what those guys get out there and do every weekend
now.

> > Dang, I wish it was three hours from now.

> > Darlington - Lady in Black - the only thing, when are those guys going
to
> > learn you can't tame a lady? <lol>

> > Rinda

> > > "Rinda Lynn Ferguson" wrot...
> > > > *wonders if Jan has ever seen "Days of Thunder" *

> > > > How long has it been since that movie first came out?

> > > > Like 12 to 14 years ago...

> > > > Dang I'm getting old.

> > > Yeah, I've watched it several times over and, yup, I'm getting old too
> (we
> > > could be an item <vbseg>).

> > > I think the film, despite the "Hollywood" storyline, depects certain
> > aspects
> > > of racing really well.

> > > It takes someone who can't do what it takes to know what it takes...
> trust
> > > me on this one.

> > > Jan.
> > > =---

by **Rinda Lynn Ferguso** » Tue, 16 Nov 2004 01:28:05

Well, I would think, after seven years of hard racing the real thing, he
would know better than anyone, wouldn't he? <wink>

Playing sims and racing the real thing, how could he not know which is
better?

Just common sense. <s>

Jasper Motorsports, I use to live near and in Jasper, Indiana. Dang that
town is waiting patiently for a win from that team. I wish Brendan would
dang hurry up. <g> but, *crossing all fingers and toes*, not til next
year!

RindaLynn

> Then how come Jr. said the cts mod represented cup cars better than the
> actual cup physics ? <g>

> But then again, that cup team you refer to is Jasper Motorsports,
> so.........<g>

> > Ive got the full game.And i can handle full racing slicks.NR2003 has the
> > most sophisticated tyre model of all time with data from a winston cup
> > team,and it handles great,just as you would expect.

> > >> Lets face it,ISI physics engines have always had a foreign,numb feel
to
> > >> them compared to papyrus engines.A lot of that is down to their poor
> tyre
> > >> model,something which papy excelled on in NR2003.

> > > <rollseyes too> Have you even played the GTR press demo?

by TW » Tue, 16 Nov 2004 02:31:01

On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:31:04 -0500, "Rinda Lynn Ferguson"

>Darlington - Lady in Black - the only thing, when are those guys going to
>learn you can't tame a lady? <lol>

When is Nascar going to quit screwing with tradition? The Southern 500
on Labor Day weekend has always been as much a tradition as Indy on
Memorial Day. We've lost 1 race here already....how long before Nascar
abandons this track all together in favor of another 1.5 quad oval
that seats 150,000 fans....sad indeed. Darlington has character, just
as Rockingham did. If all that matters to Nascar is selling seats,
then I don't like where the sport is headed.

by **JTS** » Tue, 16 Nov 2004 02:34:17

Yes, but have you played the DEMO. That's the question ;>)

> Ive got the full game.And i can handle full racing slicks.NR2003 has the
> most sophisticated tyre model of all time with data from a winston cup
> team,and it handles great,just as you would expect.

>>> Lets face it,ISI physics engines have always had a foreign,numb feel to
>>> them compared to papyrus engines.A lot of that is down to their poor
>>> tyre model,something which papy excelled on in NR2003.

>> <rollseyes too> Have you even played the GTR press demo?

by JP » Tue, 16 Nov 2004 02:47:34

> On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:31:04 -0500, "Rinda Lynn Ferguson"

> >Darlington - Lady in Black - the only thing, when are those guys going to
> >learn you can't tame a lady? <lol>

> When is Nascar going to quit screwing with tradition? The Southern 500
> on Labor Day weekend has always been as much a tradition as Indy on
> Memorial Day. We've lost 1 race here already....how long before Nascar
> abandons this track all together in favor of another 1.5 quad oval
> that seats 150,000 fans....sad indeed. Darlington has character, just
> as Rockingham did. If all that matters to Nascar is selling seats,
> then I don't like where the sport is headed.

Nascar isn't interested in racing anymore. I don't like it either, but
there it is regardless. It's all about keeping the "right people" satisfied
now, and those people aren't the fans.

Lifelong Nascar fan. Went to races for decades. Haven't since Helton
took over and ruined a good thing.
Can't afford it anymore either.

by **Rinda Lynn Ferguso** » Tue, 16 Nov 2004 02:43:00

My line about the guys had to do with the drivers. When are those drivers
going to learn that they can't tame a lady? They have to learn to handle
her just right if they ever wish to win her over. <g>

As a genealogist, I very truly love and understand the need for tradition.
And, I also hated seeing the Southern 500 dropped.

And, I would love the day, when the world was not ruled by the "bottom
line".

But, unfortunately, and it is sad, that the "bottom line" does rule in those
kinds of decisions.

Its the "bottom line" and "seat capacity" that is keeping a WC race from
coming to Kentucky Speedway which is only an hour and half from here where I
live.

Why do some tracks need two races a year that have only had one before?

Why not give other tracks out there a chance to prove themselves as well?

RindaLynn

> On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:31:04 -0500, "Rinda Lynn Ferguson"

> >Darlington - Lady in Black - the only thing, when are those guys going to
> >learn you can't tame a lady? <lol>

> When is Nascar going to quit screwing with tradition? The Southern 500
> on Labor Day weekend has always been as much a tradition as Indy on
> Memorial Day. We've lost 1 race here already....how long before Nascar
> abandons this track all together in favor of another 1.5 quad oval
> that seats 150,000 fans....sad indeed. Darlington has character, just
> as Rockingham did. If all that matters to Nascar is selling seats,
> then I don't like where the sport is headed.

by JP » Tue, 16 Nov 2004 03:40:57

Np, thanks. Sorry for the confusion.

> JP, sorry wasn't directed at you. Was just replies to the comments above.

> > Um, I haven't said a single word anywhere about GTR..........might want
> > to
> > be sure you're replying to the correct poster before hitting that key
<g>

> > p.s. I like it anyway.

> >> I have not been a fan of the F1 series stuff, but GTR feels very
> >> different
> >> to me and I love it. You are doing a ton a people a disservice by
> >> telling
> >> them all this is just a rehash of GTR 2002, not even close. If you do
in
> >> fact have the game I am very surprised you feel that way.
> >> Your facts about the Papy engine are far from being what happened and I
> >> am
> >> not trying to bash Papy, I love them.
> >> GTR feels great to me and I will love it until hopefully GTR2 comes as
> > well
> >> as the first stuff.
> >> The rfactor demo looks like it will have great potential as well,
> > hopefully
> >> something that great things can be built around.
> >> Just trying to give a positive voice to those that might want to try
it,
> >> I
> >> find it to be the best driving experience available right now by a long
> >> ways.

> >> Chad

> >> >> I agree with tony on this one.Having been a long time simmer and
> >> >> having
> >> >> played ISI and papy games for years,to me its clear that rfactor has
a
> >> > feel
> >> >> to it unlike any other ISI game and its as close to papy quality as
i
> >> >> have
> >> >> seen by another developer.
> >> >> Lets face it,ISI physics engines have always had a foreign,numb feel
> >> >> to
> >> > them
> >> >> compared to papyrus engines.A lot of that is down to their poor tyre
> >> >> model,something which papy excelled on in NR2003.
> >> >> GTR is more of the same and is nothing more than an official f1C
mod.
> >> >> Rfactor feels far better and advanced than GTR.Its far more dynamic
> >> >> and
> >> >> fluid in feel and handling.
> >> >> Definalty a step up.

> >> >> Please stop trying to defend the old ISI engines.They stunk.

> >> > I'm not.

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