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by **SWB** » Tue, 25 Dec 2001 17:33:59

I have had N4 since it came out, but due to a slow PC never really bothered
with it. Recently I upgraded to a machine that can max all the graphics and
run at 30fps upwards. Scenario, short 10% race at Dover. I am in the lead
after 30 laps, and there is a crash behind that brings out the yellow. I
slow for the Pace car, and the second placed car crashes into the back of me
causing damage. Race ruined. I have observed this at other tracks , and what
is more, the AI get in a tangle sorting out the mayhem, with even more
crashes under yellow. Is N4 unplayable compared to N2, N3, or Legends? I am
fed up with it already. I have the latest official patch, but does anybody
do one that calms things down a little?
Steve :-(

by **Kevin Anderso** » Tue, 25 Dec 2001 22:19:35

did you get the patch from sierra?

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by **jca..** » Tue, 25 Dec 2001 23:06:21

Saying its "unplayable" may be overstating it just a tad. There are
*many* complaints about the N4 AI out there, but I think people are
generally satisfied with the game. Have you downloaded and installed
the most recent patch? The general consensus is that the AI is
improved in this most recent version.

Also look at playing online. There are many, many decent leagues out
there with clean drivers running all the time. That way, you can
avoid the papy pileups.

hth,
jeff

by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 25 Dec 2001 23:45:52

And get offl the racing line under yellow....don't give the ai $$## a
cheap shot at ya...good luck. Have fun.
dave henrie

by **SWB** » Wed, 26 Dec 2001 01:18:18

I got the latest patch from Papy, but maybe I'll give it another go and look
at it over a WC season. The graphics and car dynamics are awesome!
Steve :-)

by **DStampe** » Wed, 26 Dec 2001 01:55:07

I know I played N3 yesterday and it was GREAT! I have been very frustrated
with N4 but didn't realize how difficult it really was. I ran an Atlanta
race on N3 and was racing 3-wide, bumping without crashing etc.. I'm afraid
I'm going back to N3 for a while. I think playing N4 has improved my
driving and patience but for just sheer fun I like N3 better.

by **Dana_Le** » Wed, 26 Dec 2001 22:25:16

Without a doubt, N3 is a toy compared to N4...The learning curve for N4 is
quite steep...N4 douesnt allow you to blast into the corner, jamm the
brakes, and dive bomb another driver...Equipment management in 50% league
racing is essential...After lots of seat time, you will grow to appreciate
how good this sim really is...It is not for the begginners...Stay off the
apron if the pacecar is behind ya <G>

by **SWB** » Thu, 27 Dec 2001 07:28:37

I did pretty well a whole season of Legends (more difficult than N3) in a
well known off line league (until I realized that everybody else was
re-running the race until it came out OK for them), and had a lot of
problems with the AI that I had to overcome. It just seems that N4 hasn't
progressed in the AI department over the previous versions. Wouldn't anybody
trade graphics for better AI behaviour? What makes a good game nowadays? GPL
sticks in there as the best, with terrible graphics compared to N4.
Steve

by **Gunnar Horrigm** » Thu, 27 Dec 2001 08:50:39

> Without a doubt, N3 is a toy compared to N4...The learning curve for N4 is
> quite steep...N4 douesnt allow you to blast into the corner, jamm the
> brakes, and dive bomb another driver..

did I get the wrong game? I just got home from all the
christmas-celebration things and finally got to boot up N4. my first
quickrace at daytona with a full field, simulation mode, all realism
settings maxed out, all driving aids turned off and default car
setup made me wonder... am I supposed to be able to go flat out all
round the track? sure I was about five seconds off pace, but I didn't
even need to lift off the throttle anywhere.

mow don't get me wrong, it was great fun and all that, but I had the
impression N4 was supposed to be a one-marginal-error-and-spin-out
kinda thing. are there perhaps any obscure settings I haven't found
somewhere? I mean, my first thought was "am I in arcade mode?", but I
wasn't. and to top it all off, I remember having a lot harder time
controlling the car in the demo...

Gunnar, not slagging anyone or -thing, just surprised...
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by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 27 Dec 2001 09:32:29

"SWB" <> I did pretty well a whole season of Legends (more difficult than
N3) in a
I have been in an offline league(TPTCC) for years, and somebody early on
gave me some great advice. First the league rules forbad restarts...but
you've already found out folks do it. I was told by a
friend..Kevin.......somebody....
that I should NEVER re-start. Because once the sims online capabilities
improved, like most of them have now, you wouldn't be able to restart and
suddenly the fast rabbits would be crippled ducks. I spent several years
getting mashed and pounded by the aggressive TPTCC AI but I got thru those
years and I feel better prepared to compete with the guys that used to
thrash me offline.
dave henrie

by **Steve Blankenshi** » Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:17:14

Gunnar,

You *should* be able to run Talladega and Daytona flat; the real guys don't lift there either (except to keep from running over the
poor sods in front of 'em, with the current restrictor plate/high-drag superspeedway package). Floor it and steer. Now - guess
which tracks are the most popular? ;-)

SB

> did I get the wrong game? I just got home from all the
> christmas-celebration things and finally got to boot up N4. my first
> quickrace at daytona with a full field, simulation mode, all realism
> settings maxed out, all driving aids turned off and default car
> setup made me wonder... am I supposed to be able to go flat out all
> round the track? sure I was about five seconds off pace, but I didn't
> even need to lift off the throttle anywhere.

> mow don't get me wrong, it was great fun and all that, but I had the
> impression N4 was supposed to be a one-marginal-error-and-spin-out
> kinda thing. are there perhaps any obscure settings I haven't found
> somewhere? I mean, my first thought was "am I in arcade mode?", but I
> wasn't. and to top it all off, I remember having a lot harder time
> controlling the car in the demo...

> Gunnar, not slagging anyone or -thing, just surprised...
> --
> Gunnar
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> silence is FOO!

by **Don Burnett** » Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:18:00

> > Without a doubt, N3 is a toy compared to N4...The learning curve for N4
is
> > quite steep...N4 douesnt allow you to blast into the corner, jamm the
> > brakes, and dive bomb another driver..

> did I get the wrong game? I just got home from all the
> christmas-celebration things and finally got to boot up N4. my first
> quickrace at daytona with a full field, simulation mode, all realism
> settings maxed out, all driving aids turned off and default car
> setup made me wonder... am I supposed to be able to go flat out all
> round the track? sure I was about five seconds off pace, but I didn't
> even need to lift off the throttle anywhere.

> mow don't get me wrong, it was great fun and all that, but I had the
> impression N4 was supposed to be a one-marginal-error-and-spin-out
> kinda thing. are there perhaps any obscure settings I haven't found
> somewhere? I mean, my first thought was "am I in arcade mode?", but I
> wasn't. and to top it all off, I remember having a lot harder time
> controlling the car in the demo...

> Gunnar, not slagging anyone or -thing, just surprised...

Daytona and Talladega are restrictor plate tracks, so yes you will be able
to floor it all the way around both tracks. If your racing multiplayer in a
draft you will find you have to lift a little to keep from hitting the car
in front of you.
Load up Darlington and see you ya do.

Don Burnette

by **Eldre** » Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:19:14

writes:

With N4, it uses restrictor plates. So no, you don't have to lift. Not sure
why you're so far off the AI pace, though. I haven't run it in a while, so I
don't remember what my laptimes were. What's the AI strength set at?

Eldred
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by **Dan Belch** » Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:32:33

Make sure that you have your controller properly calibrated. You may not be
getting full throttle application. Also, I don't know, but maybe the default
Easy car setup for Daytona REALLY sucks? Try running another track also.

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by **Gunnar Horrigm** » Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:46:39

> > mow don't get me wrong, it was great fun and all that, but I had the
> > impression N4 was supposed to be a one-marginal-error-and-spin-out
> > kinda thing. are there perhaps any obscure settings I haven't found
> > somewhere? I mean, my first thought was "am I in arcade mode?", but I
> > wasn't. and to top it all off, I remember having a lot harder time
> > controlling the car in the demo...

> > Gunnar, not slagging anyone or -thing, just surprised...

> Daytona and Talladega are restrictor plate tracks, so yes you will be able
> to floor it all the way around both tracks. If your racing multiplayer in a
> draft you will find you have to lift a little to keep from hitting the car
> in front of you.
> Load up Darlington and see you ya do.

hey, cool. I found those 750 ponies the box talks about. :)

btw; I just finished my first online N4-race (first ever, if you don't
count that 10-lap Daytona thing), at New Hampshire, and I didin't even
finish last! and what's more; I now have a brand spanking new LPI of
71.0, which I don't really understand as I had no incidents over a
75-lap race. :)

Gunnar, temporarily***y.
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