rec.autos.simulators

Joe

    Really? Thanks for the tip. When I do a 1.06.5 at Mid Ohio with ICR2
that is a reality I can tell you!

   So is life and thus motor racing (real and sim) and everything else
you can think of.

   It is a reality that if you crash in a sim it can cost you a
championship that you have been trying to win for 8 months. Your simply
talking about the stakes. Poker is poker whether the looser looses a
matchstick or his balls. It's real poker one way or another. Rod, get
yourself in a good comp, spend hours practicing and working on setups
for a full season and "really" try to win and then get back to us about
how lightly you take it all then!

Sorry dude it's still a PC game. It's fiction plain and simple. I'm glad
your good at the racing game(s) of your choice. OTOH playing all the racing
games in the world won't put you behind the wheel of a real race car in an
actual race, competing against Schmaucher, Earnhardt or Andretti. If we were
all that "good" after playing GP2, Nascar2 or ICR2, they'd give us a
contract and pay us to drive the real thing. You can dream all you want of
how your a world class driver and how running fast laps might make you feel
how you just beat the best in the world. In the end you turn off your
computer and you'll probably watch the race on TV and watch the winner on
the podium only wishing it might be you. And please don't misinterpret that
as a put down , it's NOT.

PC racing game's= ficition, fantasy, or an escape from reality. I'm not
saying it's wrong I just know there's a difference.

*Rare people with rare talents that push the limits to the extreme get paid
lots of money to win "real", "actual races" and risk there lives.

I equally admire those that risk their life and their family, and those that
are good behind the wheel of their favorite PC racing game. But there is a
difference.

* They get paid to win and "We Pay" to race and restart the game if we
crash. *

What is a PC (hardware) running a simulation?
A simulator, of course.

***

http://www.netlife.fi/users/ttammi/

% Oh dear, young Michael.  What will we do with you?!
% I was speaking grammatically, old mate.
% "Simulator" is the *hardware*.  Everybody here is talking about the GAMES as if they
% are the HARDWARE!
% "Simulation" is the software.  The games, therefore, are *simulations*, NOT
% *simulators*!!

Now we're getting into another "s" word -- semantics.  Even grammer
can't help us here.  Since a "simulator" is "One that simulates" and
"simulation" is "The act or process of simulating" (according to my
dictionary).  The software is the simulator and running the software is
the simulation.  Hardware alone doesn't make a simulator, as my computer
is hardware and without software it don't simulate nothing but a block
of plastic, metal and silicon.

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     Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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Wouldn't N2/GPL/F1GP2 simulate the condition of driving a race car
around a race circuit? (Yes.)

My on-line webster's defines a simulator as:

simulator  n.  One that simulates, esp. an apparatus that generates test
conditions approximating actual or operational conditions.

Which the above mentioned computer software indeed qualifies (each to
their own degree) as a simulator.

That doesn't follow from th pedantic definitions above.

---Jim

Sounds like your systems up shit creek.

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The Chrome Plated Megaphone of Destiny

   Once again, this is just wrong. Sim racing is a reality or you and I
typing on the NG must be just a dream! To be honest, if you take it all
this lightly I really don't know why your here.

   I'm a semi pro driver for S&S Motorsports - winners of the Enduro 24
II (see http://www.miracing.com/endurance/index.htm
). If you look around the site you'll see an article announcing this.
Not a lot of money but a lot better than a kick in the arse! It's a
start. I'm sure this will be a continuing trend and won't be suprised if
people can make a "real" living out of it in the not to distant future.

Cheers,

Rochester

By that token your computer becomes a low level form of "simulator"
when you run the software on it. The software itself is a
"simulation", but running it makes the host PC become a "simulator".

That's my understanding, and I'm not at all sure that it matters (my
opinion or the meaning!).

Cheers!
John

Overtaking and passing a back marker takes as much rhythm as hot
lapping.  Managing you inertia v.s the inertia of your opponent
requires precise timing.  If time is warping you can't possibly
have a clue about how the car is handling and how fast you are
actually going.

Lost frames are at least similar to other things that can actually
happen in real life, like blinking or glancing at your mirrors
or the dashboard.  You momentarily don't see what is happening in
front of you.  When does time-warping ever happen in real life?
NEVER! - at least not at 200 mph or less.

- OPINION -
The time warp thing was a cheap marketing ploy that allowed Microprose
to claim that GP2 would run in SVGA at 25 fps on a 486.  Remember
all the hype?  They never told us it would be in slow motion.  With
the 3d accelereators available now, there is no reason for this
bug/feature to be carried over to GP3.
- OPINION -

This debate has grown tiresome.  Now is the time on RAS when
we dance!  :)  (vague SNL reference)

What planet are you on?  Oh, just another country.  Try NROS sometime.

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Pat Dotson

The bottom line is that if software makers truly want to
simulate rather than entertain, time should be constant!

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Pat Dotson
IMPACT Motorsports