Only one word for you mate - BOLLOX !!!!
Cheers.....Ken
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You playing GP2 on a 486 or what. Dont talk shite mate...
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% Pat nice try it's still a "game".
To be truthful, real racing is just a "game". There is nothing real,
they have rules, they follow the rules, there is a winner and there are
losers. No one has to race, it's just a game they decided to play and
the better ones get paid to do it.
Someone taking a Skip Barbar course, is of course just playing, it's not
real, right?
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> What do you play it on ??? a 386 ??
> I regularly DRIVE GP2 in SVGA with everything turned on , except the
> sky (who needs it), and I get 28 -30 fps without ANY problems
> whatsoever.
To quote Ken Barrow, "Don't talk shite, mate"!
Okay.....let's get pendantic about this, shall we?
It is NOT a "simulator"!
A "simulator" is, according to the ***y great lump of a dictionary I have, (1)
One who, or that which, simulates. (2) A training or experimental device that
simulates movement, flight or some other condition".
It MAY, however, be a "simulation".
"(1) Pretending, feigning. (2) Assumption of a particular appearance or form.
(3, Maths) The use of an analogue in order to study the properties of a system.
(4, Psychiatry) The concious attempt to imitate some mental or physical disorder
to escape punishment or to gain some desirable objective."
On the basis of description (1) I would conclude that these games are most
definitely "simulations", wouldn't you?
But they are most certainly NOT "simulators".
% Okay.....let's get pendantic about this, shall we?
% It is NOT a "simulator"!
% A "simulator" is, according to the ***y great lump of a dictionary I have, (1)
% One who, or that which, simulates. (2) A training or experimental device that
% simulates movement, flight or some other condition".
% It MAY, however, be a "simulation".
% "(1) Pretending, feigning. (2) Assumption of a particular appearance or form.
% (3, Maths) The use of an analogue in order to study the properties of a system.
% (4, Psychiatry) The concious attempt to imitate some mental or physical disorder
% to escape punishment or to gain some desirable objective."
% On the basis of description (1) I would conclude that these games are most
% definitely "simulations", wouldn't you?
% But they are most certainly NOT "simulators".
Tell this to the programmers at Papyrus who have "simulated" the physics
involved in their simulator engines. I think the "flavor" of their
programs simulates (as in simulation) a racing environment (scenery, AI,
etc.), but the actual core of their program simulates (as in simulator)
the actual physics of a race car. Even more so in the next generation
to appear with GPL.
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% What do you play it on ??? a 386 ??
% I regularly DRIVE GP2 in SVGA with everything turned on , except the
% sky (who needs it), and I get 28 -30 fps without ANY problems
% whatsoever.
% Thats on a P166 with a decent video card.
Uhhh, can you please share your "hacked" version of GP2. To the best of
my knowledge GP2 can do no better than 25 fps. Instead of producing
more fps beyond 25, the program simply lowers its CPU occupancy. And I
am more than sure you can not have all detail on and have all items
drawn (including mirrors) and even begin to have a frame rate over 21-22
at the most barest of tracks (in off-season testing mode). Well that is
unless you have a super-hacked version of GP2. And if this is the case
everyone out here would like a copy. ;-)
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>Thats on a P166 with a decent video card.
First of all the Gp2 game engine stuck you at 25fps, and if you have a PC to
make this happened, it will lower the Processor Occupancy. Not saying you
are lying, but can you please tell us how can you possibly determinate you
are running between 28-30fps.
Secondly, it's impossible with a Pentium 166 and a decent video card to play
decently Gp2 with all the options you have.
It's been proven that with the new PII processor the simulator can't be run
at full details at 25fps (well in normal conditions non-overclocked). I
have a PII 266mhz with a STB Velocity 128 AGP. This is one of the best
combination for racing titles overall, and I get 25fps with everything on
except the sky and some mirror details. The difference between your system
and mine is incredible (not saying your system is bad).
If you are not lying you...
1) Think you are racing with Gp2 but in fact it's World Circuit
2) You have a brain problem that double the frames you see on a PC screen
(heh that would be a good deseace).
Hopefully, you will answer us....
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Good race at the Brickyard, (-o-)
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Excuse me for being provocative (I'm dumb speaking)
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Joe
> > And that's the rub, the detail was highly configurable. A vast range of
> > hardware could render GP2 in 'real' time (i.e. under 100% occupancy, but
> > of course you had to turn off the eye candy.
> And of course I did turn off eye candy to attempt to stay below 100%
> occupancy. The problem is that if you set the graphics to typically
> average 80% occupancy, you are still likely to see spikes of 120%
> and more when the screen gets busy. Everytime the occupancy
> goes high time warps.
Overtaking a backmarker destroys rhythm, comming up on one destroys
rhythm. It's nice when your just out lapping to get up a rhythm, but
you need to be able to cope without it.
I put in plenty of time in ICR1 and I still detest dropped frames. I can
cope with them to a degree, but I would quite properly blame them for
many incidents.
While network play has come a long way in the last 3 years, it obviously
still has a long way to go. You certainly can't do multiplayer in 'real
time' - the present level of technology will just not allow it.
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I have a k6 200 and it flies along nicely in svga with everything on
bother to check the many gp2 websites that carry performance testing
results, that is the *usual* performance of most 200MHz pc's?
So I suggest your pc is not set-up for optimal performance?
*Peter* 8-)
>>In fairness, I guess I spent so much time running ICR1 and N1 at
>>12-18 fps that coping with short bursts of low frame rate doesn't
>>cause a problem. Time warps are a different solution to the
>>problem and I haven't spent time trying to learn to deal with
>>it.
>Yes I have exactly the same problem, and it's even more annoying when you've
>driven half a race, are well in the grove, in the lead with great lap times,
>and you come up behind 4 or 5 back markers on a corner and drive into the back
>of them in slo-mo. One reason I never had any detail on the mirrors?
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Oh dear, young Michael. What will we do with you?!
I was speaking grammatically, old mate.
"Simulator" is the *hardware*. Everybody here is talking about the GAMES as if they
are the HARDWARE!
"Simulation" is the software. The games, therefore, are *simulations*, NOT
*simulators*!!
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