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Looking for help from any PDPI card/Windows XP users.

LA45

Looking for help from any PDPI card/Windows XP users.

by LA45 » Sat, 08 Jan 2005 06:30:32

Are there any other dinosaurs out there like me?  I am still using a PDPI
card (an ISA slot Digital Game Card)?

After years of using a TSW wheel and a PDPI card under Windows 98se, I
decided to upgrade to Windows XP.  Now when I try to install the PDPI
drivers I get the error message:

 "You do not have access to make the required system configuration
modifications.  Please rerun this installation from an administrators
account."

I am the only user of my computer, and have only one administrator account
set up.

I've installed other software and hardware on this XP operating system, and
this is the first problem I've encountered.

Has anyone out there experienced this problem, and if so, do know of a fix
short going the route of a dual operating system installation?

I tried running N2003 using the soundcard joystick port, but for some reason
my lap times are 2 to 3 second slower than they were when using the PDPI
game card.

Thanks

Steve Smit

Looking for help from any PDPI card/Windows XP users.

by Steve Smit » Sat, 08 Jan 2005 06:41:45

I held out as long as I could, but I finally gave up, installed XP, and use
a USB connection instead of the gameport connector.  I suggest you do
likewise.  But, failing that, I guess you could install a Win 9x/SE/ME
partition.  Or maybe work around the admin issue.


LA45

Looking for help from any PDPI card/Windows XP users.

by LA45 » Sat, 08 Jan 2005 06:53:29

Were you able to tell a significant difference between USB connection and
the sound card's
gameport--or did you not try the gameport?  Also, are you using the TSW--USB
connector, or did you go a different route?

thanks


> I held out as long as I could, but I finally gave up, installed XP, and
use
> a USB connection instead of the gameport connector.  I suggest you do
> likewise.  But, failing that, I guess you could install a Win 9x/SE/ME
> partition.  Or maybe work around the admin issue.



> > Are there any other dinosaurs out there like me?  I am still using a
PDPI
> > card (an ISA slot Digital Game Card)?

> > After years of using a TSW wheel and a PDPI card under Windows 98se, I
> > decided to upgrade to Windows XP.  Now when I try to install the PDPI
> > drivers I get the error message:

> >  "You do not have access to make the required system configuration
> > modifications.  Please rerun this installation from an administrators
> > account."

> > I am the only user of my computer, and have only one administrator
account
> > set up.

> > I've installed other software and hardware on this XP operating system,
> and
> > this is the first problem I've encountered.

> > Has anyone out there experienced this problem, and if so, do know of a
fix
> > short going the route of a dual operating system installation?

> > I tried running N2003 using the soundcard joystick port, but for some
> reason
> > my lap times are 2 to 3 second slower than they were when using the PDPI
> > game card.

> > Thanks

Uwe Schürkam

Looking for help from any PDPI card/Windows XP users.

by Uwe Schürkam » Sat, 08 Jan 2005 19:34:24


> Were you able to tell a significant difference between USB connection and
> the sound card's
> gameport--or did you not try the gameport?  Also, are you using the TSW--USB
> connector, or did you go a different route?

> thanks

I ordered hi-spec pots from the US and a rockfire USB converter. This
setup works "ok", it's not as sensitive as the original gameport setup
but quite adequate for driving. I get around 200 values on the
steering axis and around 60 on the pedals (brake / throttle).

I decided to go the el-cheapo route first and can always upgrade to
the tsw-provided usb kit at a later date.

cheers,

uwe

--
GPG Fingerprint:  2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F  67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

Steve Smit

Looking for help from any PDPI card/Windows XP users.

by Steve Smit » Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:12:34

Larry,

I gave up on my ECCI at the same juncture and went over to, at first, a Logi
LWFF ("Ol'Red") w. ECCI "tractor" pedals, then to a Logi Force (red) and TSW
pedals, so no direct comparison was possible.  The old (analog) gameport
performance was eclipsed by the PDPI (which definitely increased FPS), and
given the differences in processor occupancy between the old gameport and
USB, I'm convinced that USB is superior in every way.  Plus XP seems to be
able to handle a bunch of separate controllers at once (I also play a lot of
flight sims).

I have heard reports, good and bad, about the Rockfire gameport-to-USB
connector (sold by TSW) and another similar device sold in Japan, but I have
no personal experience.

P.S. I still have the ECCI setup, a mobo w. a 1.3-GHz Athlon and an ISA
slot, a PDPI card and a spare for the unlikely day I go back to playing
IndyCar II.

--Steve


> Were you able to tell a significant difference between USB connection and
> the sound card's
> gameport--or did you not try the gameport?  Also, are you using the
TSW--USB
> connector, or did you go a different route?

> thanks



> > I held out as long as I could, but I finally gave up, installed XP, and
> use
> > a USB connection instead of the gameport connector.  I suggest you do
> > likewise.  But, failing that, I guess you could install a Win 9x/SE/ME
> > partition.  Or maybe work around the admin issue.



> > > Are there any other dinosaurs out there like me?  I am still using a
> PDPI
> > > card (an ISA slot Digital Game Card)?

> > > After years of using a TSW wheel and a PDPI card under Windows 98se, I
> > > decided to upgrade to Windows XP.  Now when I try to install the PDPI
> > > drivers I get the error message:

> > >  "You do not have access to make the required system configuration
> > > modifications.  Please rerun this installation from an administrators
> > > account."

> > > I am the only user of my computer, and have only one administrator
> account
> > > set up.

> > > I've installed other software and hardware on this XP operating
system,
> > and
> > > this is the first problem I've encountered.

> > > Has anyone out there experienced this problem, and if so, do know of a
> fix
> > > short going the route of a dual operating system installation?

> > > I tried running N2003 using the soundcard joystick port, but for some
> > reason
> > > my lap times are 2 to 3 second slower than they were when using the
PDPI
> > > game card.

> > > Thanks

Asgeir Nesoe

Looking for help from any PDPI card/Windows XP users.

by Asgeir Nesoe » Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:12:46

There are no XP drivers for PDPI. Nor 2000.

The PDPI could, in theory run under 2000, because 2000 have full PnP for
ISA devices, but PDPI went out of business before 2000 was on every
*** computer...

I believe ISA is a much bigger problem in XP than 2000, partly because
Microsoft greatly reduced support for it, partly because you need a
motherboard with an ISA slot, and the fastest boards you can find with
ISA slots come with the FCPGA2 slot (1.4 Ghz max), if I am not mistaken.
This is too slow for high end racing sims, but GPL will work nicely with it.

It *is* possible to get this card to work on a fast motherboard without
an ISA slot using a PCI to ISA bridge card (for instance
http://www.racesimcentral.net/), but this will include writing a
driver for it, and I have no idea how to do this. It may not be very
difficult, but is too much for me to take on. I would be very happy to
participate in a team with people who knows how to do this, though.

I also believe it IS possible to dig out the ISA interface info from
PDPI, I believe I talked to a "Mike" concerning the external connector
specification. I also believe PDPI still exists, but with different
lines of products. Since the PDIP card bears no economic interest to
nobody this should be possible.

If there are enough person interested in this, I may consider taking on
a project, though.

---Asgeir---


> Are there any other dinosaurs out there like me?  I am still using a PDPI
> card (an ISA slot Digital Game Card)?

> After years of using a TSW wheel and a PDPI card under Windows 98se, I
> decided to upgrade to Windows XP.  Now when I try to install the PDPI
> drivers I get the error message:

>  "You do not have access to make the required system configuration
> modifications.  Please rerun this installation from an administrators
> account."

> I am the only user of my computer, and have only one administrator account
> set up.

> I've installed other software and hardware on this XP operating system, and
> this is the first problem I've encountered.

> Has anyone out there experienced this problem, and if so, do know of a fix
> short going the route of a dual operating system installation?

> I tried running N2003 using the soundcard joystick port, but for some reason
> my lap times are 2 to 3 second slower than they were when using the PDPI
> game card.

> Thanks

LA45

Looking for help from any PDPI card/Windows XP users.

by LA45 » Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:34:29

Thanks Uwe, for the reply.  I may test the Rockfire USB converter before I
try anything else.



> > Were you able to tell a significant difference between USB connection
and
> > the sound card's
> > gameport--or did you not try the gameport?  Also, are you using the
TSW--USB
> > connector, or did you go a different route?

> > thanks

> I ordered hi-spec pots from the US and a rockfire USB converter. This
> setup works "ok", it's not as sensitive as the original gameport setup
> but quite adequate for driving. I get around 200 values on the
> steering axis and around 60 on the pedals (brake / throttle).

> I decided to go the el-cheapo route first and can always upgrade to
> the tsw-provided usb kit at a later date.

> cheers,

> uwe

> --
> GPG Fingerprint:  2E 13 20 22 9A 3F 63 7F  67 6F E9 B1 A8 36 A4 61

LA45

Looking for help from any PDPI card/Windows XP users.

by LA45 » Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:37:44

I appreciate the info, Steve.  I guess I'll try the Rockfire USB gameport,
and see what kind of results I get before I try anything else.

thanks


> Larry,

> I gave up on my ECCI at the same juncture and went over to, at first, a
Logi
> LWFF ("Ol'Red") w. ECCI "tractor" pedals, then to a Logi Force (red) and
TSW
> pedals, so no direct comparison was possible.  The old (analog) gameport
> performance was eclipsed by the PDPI (which definitely increased FPS), and
> given the differences in processor occupancy between the old gameport and
> USB, I'm convinced that USB is superior in every way.  Plus XP seems to be
> able to handle a bunch of separate controllers at once (I also play a lot
of
> flight sims).

> I have heard reports, good and bad, about the Rockfire gameport-to-USB
> connector (sold by TSW) and another similar device sold in Japan, but I
have
> no personal experience.

> P.S. I still have the ECCI setup, a mobo w. a 1.3-GHz Athlon and an ISA
> slot, a PDPI card and a spare for the unlikely day I go back to playing
> IndyCar II.

> --Steve



> > Were you able to tell a significant difference between USB connection
and
> > the sound card's
> > gameport--or did you not try the gameport?  Also, are you using the
> TSW--USB
> > connector, or did you go a different route?

> > thanks



> > > I held out as long as I could, but I finally gave up, installed XP,
and
> > use
> > > a USB connection instead of the gameport connector.  I suggest you do
> > > likewise.  But, failing that, I guess you could install a Win 9x/SE/ME
> > > partition.  Or maybe work around the admin issue.



> > > > Are there any other dinosaurs out there like me?  I am still using a
> > PDPI
> > > > card (an ISA slot Digital Game Card)?

> > > > After years of using a TSW wheel and a PDPI card under Windows 98se,
I
> > > > decided to upgrade to Windows XP.  Now when I try to install the
PDPI
> > > > drivers I get the error message:

> > > >  "You do not have access to make the required system configuration
> > > > modifications.  Please rerun this installation from an
administrators
> > > > account."

> > > > I am the only user of my computer, and have only one administrator
> > account
> > > > set up.

> > > > I've installed other software and hardware on this XP operating
> system,
> > > and
> > > > this is the first problem I've encountered.

> > > > Has anyone out there experienced this problem, and if so, do know of
a
> > fix
> > > > short going the route of a dual operating system installation?

> > > > I tried running N2003 using the soundcard joystick port, but for
some
> > > reason
> > > > my lap times are 2 to 3 second slower than they were when using the
> PDPI
> > > > game card.

> > > > Thanks

LA45

Looking for help from any PDPI card/Windows XP users.

by LA45 » Sat, 08 Jan 2005 23:50:38

Thanks, Asgeir.  Now I know why I was getting the error message when I tried
to install the PDPI drivers on the XP/OS.  I knew PDPI went out of business
some time ago, but I didn't know why XP would send up the "administrator
error" message when I tried to install those drivers.  My MB is a 1.2 ghz,
Abit KT7a (I guess it is about time to upgrade).  Good luck with the
proposed project, and thanks for the reply and the info.

Tks


> There are no XP drivers for PDPI. Nor 2000.

> The PDPI could, in theory run under 2000, because 2000 have full PnP for
> ISA devices, but PDPI went out of business before 2000 was on every
> *** computer...

> I believe ISA is a much bigger problem in XP than 2000, partly because
> Microsoft greatly reduced support for it, partly because you need a
> motherboard with an ISA slot, and the fastest boards you can find with
> ISA slots come with the FCPGA2 slot (1.4 Ghz max), if I am not mistaken.
> This is too slow for high end racing sims, but GPL will work nicely with
it.

> It *is* possible to get this card to work on a fast motherboard without
> an ISA slot using a PCI to ISA bridge card (for instance
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/), but this will include writing a
> driver for it, and I have no idea how to do this. It may not be very
> difficult, but is too much for me to take on. I would be very happy to
> participate in a team with people who knows how to do this, though.

> I also believe it IS possible to dig out the ISA interface info from
> PDPI, I believe I talked to a "Mike" concerning the external connector
> specification. I also believe PDPI still exists, but with different
> lines of products. Since the PDIP card bears no economic interest to
> nobody this should be possible.

> If there are enough person interested in this, I may consider taking on
> a project, though.

> ---Asgeir---


> > Are there any other dinosaurs out there like me?  I am still using a
PDPI
> > card (an ISA slot Digital Game Card)?

> > After years of using a TSW wheel and a PDPI card under Windows 98se, I
> > decided to upgrade to Windows XP.  Now when I try to install the PDPI
> > drivers I get the error message:

> >  "You do not have access to make the required system configuration
> > modifications.  Please rerun this installation from an administrators
> > account."

> > I am the only user of my computer, and have only one administrator
account
> > set up.

> > I've installed other software and hardware on this XP operating system,
and
> > this is the first problem I've encountered.

> > Has anyone out there experienced this problem, and if so, do know of a
fix
> > short going the route of a dual operating system installation?

> > I tried running N2003 using the soundcard joystick port, but for some
reason
> > my lap times are 2 to 3 second slower than they were when using the PDPI
> > game card.

> > Thanks

LA45

Looking for help from any PDPI card/Windows XP users.

by LA45 » Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:31:23

Thanks to all for the info., and suggestions.  I've decided to send the
wheel back for the USB upgrade.

Larry


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